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xg15 ◴[] No.34716225[source]
I find it extremely jarring how many reputable western media outlets immediately jumped to the conclusion that Russia did it even though that made zero sense - but absolutely refused to even consider the possibility that the US or another western state could have done it.

But at this point, the article is basically "cool story, bro". The only independently verifyable bits are the public statements of Biden, Nuland, etc, which are already well-known. But those only show that the US really really really didn't like the pipelines - and that was never a secret. They do not give any evidence for a planned operation to destroy them.

The rest of the article is amazingly detailed but only based on an anonymous source. Even if we trust that the source existed, there is no way to know if that source itself is trustworthy.

So as of now, I don't the information in the article would convince anyone of the "US did it" hypothesis who wasn't already convinced.

I think the only thing that the article is useful for is as a future reference. It could be useful to remember the details and keep an eye if they match with any future developments.

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1. 0xDEF ◴[] No.34716443[source]
>I find it extremely jarring how many reputable western media outlets immediately jumped to the conclusion that Russia did it

Do you have proof to back up this claim? A more correct observation is that Western media didn't blame any single entity but has the attention span of a goldfish and forgot about this incident after a week or two.

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2. xg15 ◴[] No.34716738[source]
I live in Germany and my proof is that a few days after the explosions, I could read/watch Spiegel, Tagesschau and other outlets quoting speculations about Russia as "expert opinions", while discussing speculations about the US only in context of "russian accusations".

A Spiegel article from september 28, two days after the incident: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/nord-stream-spekulationen-ueb...

It links to a Times article allegedly saying the same (but behind a paywall unfortunately, so I can't check): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-probably-bombed-no...

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3. hanspeter ◴[] No.34720524[source]
All mainstream media in Denmark has been reporting "No proof of Russian sabotage on Nordstream" this week.

They're simply going for views and readers. The exciting story back in September was that Russia had sabotaged the pipeline. It was then more or less established that they probably did, so now the exciting story is that they might not have!

4. xg15 ◴[] No.34729105[source]
Spiegel is now reporting about Hersh's article as well. They seem more interested in dismantling Hersh however than commenting on any of his claims in detail: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/russland-duma-sprecher-wjatsc...

Other outlets seem to be commenting a bit more neutral: https://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/nord-stream-2--usa-soll...