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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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688 points hunglee2 | 9 comments | 08 Feb 23 12:50 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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mmastrac ◴[08 Feb 23 19:03 UTC] No.34713024[source]▶
It's a great story, but it's all unsourced and could be a decent Tom Clancy story at best. You could probably write a similar one with Russia or German agents as the key players and be just as convincing.

The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story.

What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears to be based on a single, unnamed source "with direct knowledge of the operational planning".

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thwayunion ◴[08 Feb 23 19:18 UTC] No.34713318[source]▶
> The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story.

I'd bet my last dollar that at least four nations had "blow up Nord Stream to force continued conflict" contingency plans.

Who did it? Germany, Russia, USA, Ukraine, or a curve ball from the one of the Nordic or Baltic states? We'll probably never know, and none of those answers would surprise me.

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1. linkjuice4all ◴[08 Feb 23 21:45 UTC] No.34715727[source]▶
Why just those countries? Surely some countries in the middle east would be interested in opening and supplying petro products to a new market. What about China? Maybe they're interested in division and weakening their nearest neighbor so they could buy up all the gas?

There are too many players with varying interests at different levels to just go off of someone's reputation and an unnamed source. Perhaps Biden or some other head of state needs to come along and blow up this thread so that moderators and commenters alike have to find other outlets for the water they're carrying.

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2. peanuty1 ◴[08 Feb 23 22:17 UTC] No.34716241[source]▶
Are any middle eastern militaries competent enough to blow up the Nord Strom pipeline and cover their tracks?
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3. netsharc ◴[08 Feb 23 22:33 UTC] No.34716481[source]▶
Prince Choppy Choppy can't even get rid of 1 guy without the whole world noticing. But to clutch my tinfoil hat, if Saudi Arabia really did want to do this, Prince Choppy Choppy could've told Biden "We're doing this, I know you can see us, but be quiet and you'll get your cheap oil, OK?".

Although if Biden took part in such a conspiracy, someone in one of the American intelligence agencies would've probably leaked it out.

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4. jccooper ◴[08 Feb 23 22:49 UTC] No.34716707[source]▶
It's not very deep. You can buy a tethered underwater ROV rated for 300ft OTS for a few thousands of dollars. Not to mention a camera and an actuator on an anchor. Practically anybody could have done it. Even non-state actors. Hardest part would be getting the explosives in sufficient quantity.
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5. nl ◴[08 Feb 23 22:55 UTC] No.34716779[source]▶
Ever hear about Qatar screwing anything up? Me either.

They have successfully annoyed just about ever regional player, as well as the US and every other major power at times, and yet mange to thread the needle of staying friendly with the US and Iran at the same time. The way they played out the Saudi sanctions on them was a masterpiece, and they are the biggest gas exporter in the world.

No evidence they are involved of course, but there are plenty of extremely competent militaries in the Middle East.

6. coffeebeqn ◴[08 Feb 23 23:40 UTC] No.34717393[source]▶
Israel, Iran, Turkey, the gulf states have the money to pay someone who’s good
7. fshbbdssbbgdd ◴[09 Feb 23 02:33 UTC] No.34719051{3}[source]▶
If SA made a deal like this with Biden, they immediately broke it by having OPEC cut production before the midterm elections.
8. sudosysgen ◴[09 Feb 23 04:53 UTC] No.34719916{3}[source]▶
You would leave debris by doing that. Doing it in a way that doesn't leave evidence is difficult.
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9. justinclift ◴[09 Feb 23 15:07 UTC] No.34725043{4}[source]▶
What if you use it to just plant the explosives, then have it leave before detonating?