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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

(seymourhersh.substack.com)
688 points hunglee2 | 3 comments | 08 Feb 23 12:50 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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dang ◴[08 Feb 23 18:31 UTC] No.34712496[source]▶
All: Whether he is right or not or one likes him or not, Hersh reporting on this counts as significant new information (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...), so I've turned off the flags on this submission.

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swader999 ◴[08 Feb 23 19:28 UTC] No.34713491[source]▶
Why even question Hersh on this when Biden publicly admitted they would put an end to it? https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8
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ceejayoz ◴[08 Feb 23 19:42 UTC] No.34713727[source]▶
Because "put an end to it" can easily (and more plausibly) encompass approaches like "sanction Nord Stream AG into the ground".
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swader999 ◴[08 Feb 23 19:52 UTC] No.34713874[source]▶
"There will no longer be a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
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ceejayoz ◴[08 Feb 23 19:59 UTC] No.34713990[source]▶
There is no longer an Enron, either. No one blew up their headquarters to do it.
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1. hef19898 ◴[08 Feb 23 20:14 UTC] No.34714257[source]▶
Enron's accounting department kind of did, not physically but still.
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2. ceejayoz ◴[08 Feb 23 20:16 UTC] No.34714287[source]▶
> not physically but still

That's precisely the point, isn't it?

"We will put an end to X" does not mean "we will physically blow up X". Pretending Biden had an "oops, we're gonna do a terrorist attack against Russian and German infrastructure and I said it out loud at a press conference!" moment and that there's no other legitimate explanation for the statement is just goofy.

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3. swader999 ◴[08 Feb 23 20:29 UTC] No.34714511[source]▶
It wasn't an oops moment, it was scripted. Watch the video carefully. He consulted his notes before saying it. This public announcement removed the requirement to notify Congress. Genius imo.

The other tell is that in the follow-up, Biden was pressured to explain what he meant but he refused to comment. Sanctions could have been mentioned here without repercussions but they weren't.