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dang ◴[] No.34712496[source]
All: Whether he is right or not or one likes him or not, Hersh reporting on this counts as significant new information (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...), so I've turned off the flags on this submission.

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twblalock ◴[] No.34712943[source]
If anyone else had written this, would it be significant?

Wouldn't it just be written off as a conspiracy theory that provides little to no evidence for its claims?

If the only thing that gets this on HN is Seymour Hersh's reputation (which has lately become somewhat questionable) then you might want to reconsider. Plus, the quality of the comments has not been very good so far.

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PonySoldier ◴[] No.34713416[source]
This gatekeeping is ridiculous. This is the same guy who unveiled the atrocities that occured during the My Lai massacre and at Abu Ghraib, both of which painted the US Gov/military in a terrible light.

This is an actual case of speaking truth to power. He clearly (and rightfully IMO) does not trust the US government and his "somewhat questionable" and recent work has continued that trend. Is it any surprise that the same institutions/people that continuously carry water for the government now rush to label him a conspiracy theorist?

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.34713525[source]
> the same guy who unveiled the atrocities that occured during the My Lai massacre and at Abu Ghraib, both of which painted the US Gov/military in a terrible light

Both were corroborated with evidence. I'm scanning this post for new evidence and coming up empty. The fact that American action was technically plausible has always been known.

One might twist Hersh claiming he has an anonymous source as new information. But that's the closest we get. On its own, that's not sufficient to advance the discussion in a meaningful way because it presents no new facts.

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woooooo ◴[] No.34713838[source]
He has the code name of the operation and a ton of alleged operational details, attributed to his sources in the Intel community.
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1. The_Colonel ◴[] No.34713964[source]
I, too, can make up a code name and operational details. Still no evidence.
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2. hef19898 ◴[] No.34714063[source]
The code name was "Gouda", it was established that it was the Swiss Vatican guard. Ementaler would have been too much into the face and the Vatican wanted to avoid problems with the Italians, so Parmesan was of the table.
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3. PonySoldier ◴[] No.34714163[source]
As someone else noted in another thread, Hersh's reputation and the source are absolutely evidence. What he hasn't provided is hard proof for the claims.

I can't find any proof whatsoever as to who actually did it from the western authorities claiming to investigate it either though. In fact, there's been little to no news or updates at all since the incident.

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4. The_Colonel ◴[] No.34714779[source]
> Hersh's reputation

Not an evidence.

> the source

Remains anonymous. Also, not an evidence.

5. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.34714907[source]
> Hersh's reputation and the source are absolutely evidence

It’s a signal to pay attention to the issue. To keep an eye out for evidence. It’s not evidence per se.

6. JTbane ◴[] No.34719301[source]
The name "Wallace" kept coming up, supposedly connected to MI6.
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7. hef19898 ◴[] No.34722906{3}[source]
And the support operation was called "Gromit"?