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dang ◴[] No.34712496[source]
All: Whether he is right or not or one likes him or not, Hersh reporting on this counts as significant new information (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...), so I've turned off the flags on this submission.

If you're going to comment in this thread, please make sure you're up on the site guidlelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and note this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." We don't want political or nationalistic flamewar here, and any substantive point can be made without it.

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torstenvl ◴[] No.34712914[source]
Dan, I respectfully ask you to reconsider. This is a poorly-sourced speculative piece of propaganda and clearly goes against site guidelines.

You repeat, above, that HN is not for nationalist flamewar, and requires substance. But this post is nationalist flamewar and isn't substantive. Allowing it while shutting down similar content from the opposite perspective is... unsettling.

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hef19898 ◴[] No.34713140[source]
Man, the aithor (no idea who that is...) should write a spy novel around this. As a fictional setting it would be great! As anything else, not so much.

Heck, the Baltic states, along with Poland and the Scandinavian countries, have some of the best naval divers and EODs on the planet, virtue of having the priviledge of cleaning two world wars worth of mines, bombs and torpedoes from the Baltic sea...

This piece should be flagged to death, especially since it is, giving it the most (and IMHO undeserved) credit pure speculation.

Edit: Just looked Seymore Hersh up, now I know why the name rang a bell. Well, for My Lai he had proof and sources, didn't he?

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LarryMullins ◴[] No.34713232[source]
> Man, the author (no idea who that is...)

Seymour Hersh, famous for his coverage of the My Lai massacre, Project Azorian, and more. You probably should know him.

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1. waiseristy ◴[] No.34713327[source]
Seymour Hersh, also a advocate of the Syrian rebel chemical weapon conspiracy and is a Osama Bin Laden death truther. Maybe we should also include his later work as well?
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2. LarryMullins ◴[] No.34713527[source]
Sure, include those as well. Are you certain that he's wrong about either? Nothing can be certain when it comes to intrinsically clandestine matters.

Either way, you should at least know who the man is if you want to maintain any pretext of knowing modern American history.

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3. waiseristy ◴[] No.34713637[source]
Uh, yes. I'm pretty damn certain that the Syrian rebels did not gas themselves. The OPCW just came out with a massive report on the matter this week. Which, unlike this dudes claim, was extremely well sourced.

I'm not even going to continue down this "argument from authority" path. Completely baffling conspiracy drivel

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4. LarryMullins ◴[] No.34713693{3}[source]
> conspiracy drivel

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34713661

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5. waiseristy ◴[] No.34713859{4}[source]
I'm not going to participate in the informational equivalent of a cargo cult. Sorry. I require evidence
6. waiseristy ◴[] No.34713927[source]
@Dang, you see what I'm talking about? You think this type of content is aligned with HN's guidelines? This is what you get when you allow completely unbased conspiracy theory to go unchecked
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7. someotherperson ◴[] No.34713975{3}[source]
Sorry, but this is just pointlessly rude. I've linked to Wikileaks where OPCW was heavily scrubbing its content. Just because that disrupts your narrative doesn't make it "unbased conspiracy theory" and trying to ping a moderator doesn't change the facts here.

In fact, every single one of your comments on this thread have been nothing but hostile. I'm not sure why you seem to think you're in the clear and everyone else is the problem.

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8. hef19898 ◴[] No.34714106{4}[source]
Wikileaks lost so much good will, and credibility, in the last years...
9. waiseristy ◴[] No.34714138{4}[source]
"heavily scrubbing its content" does not mean "The syrian rebels gassed themselves". You described an unbased conspiracy theory, and then tossed a page full of unrelated emails up as "evidence".
10. GAN_Game ◴[] No.34715830[source]
> a Osama Bin Laden death truther

The "mainstream" "establishment" position on the death of Osama Bin Laden is that Bin Laden was living in the middle of Abbottabad, which is the Pakistani equivalent of the town of West Point, and no high level Pakistani Army official knew he was there, and no high level Pakistani government official knew he was there.

It is a completely absurd story. The "truthers" are the people who believe that story. The White House gave a lot of information about bin Laden's death, as well as the Pentagon, and the government had to walk back some of their story shortly after. The New York Times reported the government statements as fact, although later another section of the paper printed some of the questions about the mainstream narrative. This caused an internal Times squabble, some of the "memoes" of which were subsequently leaked.

If you want a better account of what happened, read the Pakistani press.

The ISI worked with the US and bin Laden hand in glove in the 1980s. The idea no one high up on Pakistani intelligence, government or military knew he was there is absurd. Yet you call this "truther".

> a advocate of the Syrian rebel chemical weapon conspiracy

Chemical weapons were released in Douma. The rebels and government blamed each other. If the "conspiracy" as you call it that the rebels released it were true, it would tend to have been a mishandling of them - a mistake. Hersh reported on the attack, including information pointing to the rebels controlling it. I have no idea who had control of the weapons - it could have been the government as you imply. I don't have a problem with Hersh reporting on the information he had on that.