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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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688 points hunglee2 | 9 comments | 08 Feb 23 12:50 UTC | HN request time: 0.27s | source | bottom
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syzarian ◴[08 Feb 23 13:07 UTC] No.34707465[source]▶
Seymour doesn’t provide any proof or any evidence. It’s argument by assertion. What he writes is plausible but without any sources or other corroborating evidence. I think it more believable that Seymour has been paid to write this by a Russian aligned entity.

I don’t know the truth of the matter and Seymour could be right. We just can’t tell from the evidence provided.

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mytailorisrich ◴[08 Feb 23 15:08 UTC] No.34709046[source]▶
If you look at all the players, their interests, and their capabilities, I think the most logical conclusion is that the US likely did it. Of course this is not evidence but this the sort of operation where success means no evidence (at least no evidence available to the public at large as it is possible and, one might hope, likely that neighbouring countries know).
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erentz ◴[08 Feb 23 18:47 UTC] No.34712780[source]▶
Why leave one of the brand new, larger pipelines undamaged, so that Russia could then offer after the event to work with Germany to activate it? Which naturally they did.

This pipeline had been completed but activation was stopped due to the start of the war. If Germany had capitulated and activated it with Russia that would be a major political win for Russia and blow for the suggested goals of the US and other allies. To me this seems to be the biggest hole in the theory that the US was responsible.

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1. mytailorisrich ◴[08 Feb 23 19:01 UTC] No.34712982[source]▶
Both NS 1 and NS 2 were sabotaged.

The US have been hostile for a long time to Germany getting closer to Russia. The war in Ukraine has just been a convenient event to push their strategic agenda forward and so far, irrespective of those pipelines, it has been very good for the US.

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2. erentz ◴[08 Feb 23 19:05 UTC] No.34713044[source]▶
Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 are not just two pipelines. It's four total. The two pipelines of Nord Stream 1 were demolished. But only one of the pipelines of Nord Stream 2 was demolished, the second was untouched.

https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-s...

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3. rfoo ◴[08 Feb 23 19:10 UTC] No.34713146[source]▶
Without going meta, how about ... the bomb just didn't work?
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4. mytailorisrich ◴[08 Feb 23 19:13 UTC] No.34713203[source]▶
I'm not sure how 3 out of 4 instead 4 out of 4 (which we don't know why, might have failed, might not have been possible) says anything about who might have done it.
5. erentz ◴[08 Feb 23 19:15 UTC] No.34713247{3}[source]▶
For an elaborate operation like this as described in Hersh's story, would you rig just one? Or would you have multiple redundancies? Is it likely that all of the redundancies failed on the same pipeline, that is also the new pipeline?
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6. credit_guy ◴[08 Feb 23 19:47 UTC] No.34713797{4}[source]▶
This comeback applies to whoever did the job. Americans or Russians, or Knights Templar, this was an elaborate operation, and somehow one pipeline out of four did not blow up. Why? Why does this implicate more the Americans rather than anyone else?
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7. erentz ◴[08 Feb 23 20:06 UTC] No.34714111{5}[source]▶
Start from the beginning.[1] The point is there is no good reason for the US to leave one operational, defeating the whole purpose suggested by those claiming the US did it, and worse, leaving open the possibility of a major political victory for Russia. This is a big hole in the theory that the US did it. There may be good reasons for other parties to leave one operational though. You can speculate.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34712780

8. coffeebeqn ◴[08 Feb 23 23:52 UTC] No.34717522{3}[source]▶
Wouldn’t they have found an unexploded bomb by now?
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9. asimpletune ◴[09 Feb 23 12:45 UTC] No.34723141{4}[source]▶
This may be a detail that only investigators know and hasn’t been made public.