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1624 points yaythefuture | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.233s | source

Saw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32261868 from a couple weeks ago and figured I'd share my own story.

3 weeks ago, I woke up to a pissed off customer telling me her payments were broken. My startup uses Stripe Connect to accept payments on behalf of our clients, and when I looked into it, I found that Stripe had decided to deactivate her account. Reason listed: 'Other'.

Great.

I contact Stripe via chat, and I learn nothing. Frontline support says "we'll look into it." Days go by, still nothing. Meanwhile, this customer is losing a massive amount of business and suffering.

After a few days, my team and I go at them from as many angles as possible. We're on the phone, we're on Twitter, we're reaching out to connections who work there / used to work there, and of course, we reach out to patio11. All of these support channels give us nothing except "we've got a team looking into it". But Stripe's frontline seems to be prohibited from offering any other info, I assume for liability reasons. "We wouldn't want to accidentally tell you the reason this happened, and have it be a bad one."

We ask: 1. Why was this account flagged? "I don't have that information" 2. What can we do to get this fixed? "I don't have access to that information. 3. Who does? "I don't have access to that information" 4. What can you do about this? "I've escalated your case. It's being reviewed."

I should mention at this point that I've been running this business since 2016, my customers have been more or less the same since then, and I've had (back when it was apparently possible) several phone conversations with Stripe staff about my business model. They know exactly who our customers are and what services we offer, and have approved it as such.

After a week of templated email responses and endless anxiety, we finally got an email from Stripe letting us know that they had reviewed the account and reactivated it. We never got a reason for why any of this had happened, despite asking for one multiple times. Oh well, still good news right? Except nope, this was only the beginning.

This morning I woke up to an email that about 35% of my client accounts had been deactivated and were "Under review", the kicker here being that one of those accounts is the same one they already reviewed last week! This is either the work of incompetent staff or (more likely) a bad algorithm. No reasonable human could make this mistake after last week's drama.

So currently, my product doesn't work for 35% of my customers. Cue torrent of pissed off customer emails.

And the best part is, this time I have an email from Stripe this time: Apparently these accounts are being flagged, despite the notes on our file, and despite the review completed literally last week, as not in compliance with Stripe's ToS. They suggest that if I believe this was done in error, I should reach out to customer support. Oh, you mean the same customer support that can't give me literally any information at all other than "We have a team looking into it"? The same customer support that won't give me any estimates as to how long it's going to take to put this fire out? The same customer support that literally looked into this a week ago and found no issues!?

I feel like I'm going crazy over here. These accounts have hundreds of thousands of dollars in them being held hostage by an utterly incompetent team / algorithm that seems to lack any and all empathy for the havoc they wreak on businesses when they pull the rug out from under them with no warning, nor for the impact they have on customers when they all of a sudden lose all ability to make money. And all that for an account that has been using Stripe for nearly 7 years without issue!

This goes so far beyond "customer support declining at scale." If lack of customer support means that critical integrations start to fail, that's not a customer support failure, that's a fundamental business failure.

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senko ◴[] No.32854896[source]
This is bad.

There are more and more Stripe horror stories like this, and from an outsider perspective it looks awfully like PayPal behaved back in the day (probably still does but I'd never touch it again as a merchant).

I have positive experiences with using Stripe in my last startup and we're currently building Stripe integration on another, which will process about 50% of our revenue (the other payment method being direct wire transfer).

There might be just a tiny minority of people that end up treated like this, but with every story, I'm less confident about our move.

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redeeman ◴[] No.32855159[source]
I have personal knowledge of more than one instance where stripe totally screwed over small companies and simply decided to ignore any contact for more than half a year, withholding the money and putting everyone in limbo.

yeah, im sure its a minority of accounts at stripe, but seriously, do not take the chance!

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rsync ◴[] No.32858122[source]
There is no way they ignored legal service.

Op speaks of calling and emailing and reaching out … instead, pay your lawyer 30 minutes and have the letter hand delivered to their legal department.

I can’t predict what will happen but it won’t be ignored.

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1. redeeman ◴[] No.32873442[source]
yeah.. in the real world people cut their losses rather than sue the company a gazillion times larger than themselves, in foreign juristictions etc.

But I seriously ask anyone, how important is processing payments to you? what do you suspect the chances are? would you prefer to go through a bit more hoops upfront with a non-stripe alternative, or roll a 1/100 or even 1/10000 dice that one day you're just gonna be royally screwed over?

I have seen it happen very close, so I know my choice. It always "only" happens to other people... until it happens to you. Its easy to say "yeah.. they were doing shady things, I dont", but when the algorithmic gods determine you to be shady, no mere mortal, except perhaps a couple of very influential people lurking HN(cough edwin cough) will do anything. Will you catch his eye? is it worth the risk?

ANYTHING you depend on, spend serious serious time doing vetting, making sure its proper, and I would say, for the love of god, make it someone you could go visit physically.