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    1624 points yaythefuture | 13 comments | | HN request time: 0.75s | source | bottom

    Saw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32261868 from a couple weeks ago and figured I'd share my own story.

    3 weeks ago, I woke up to a pissed off customer telling me her payments were broken. My startup uses Stripe Connect to accept payments on behalf of our clients, and when I looked into it, I found that Stripe had decided to deactivate her account. Reason listed: 'Other'.

    Great.

    I contact Stripe via chat, and I learn nothing. Frontline support says "we'll look into it." Days go by, still nothing. Meanwhile, this customer is losing a massive amount of business and suffering.

    After a few days, my team and I go at them from as many angles as possible. We're on the phone, we're on Twitter, we're reaching out to connections who work there / used to work there, and of course, we reach out to patio11. All of these support channels give us nothing except "we've got a team looking into it". But Stripe's frontline seems to be prohibited from offering any other info, I assume for liability reasons. "We wouldn't want to accidentally tell you the reason this happened, and have it be a bad one."

    We ask: 1. Why was this account flagged? "I don't have that information" 2. What can we do to get this fixed? "I don't have access to that information. 3. Who does? "I don't have access to that information" 4. What can you do about this? "I've escalated your case. It's being reviewed."

    I should mention at this point that I've been running this business since 2016, my customers have been more or less the same since then, and I've had (back when it was apparently possible) several phone conversations with Stripe staff about my business model. They know exactly who our customers are and what services we offer, and have approved it as such.

    After a week of templated email responses and endless anxiety, we finally got an email from Stripe letting us know that they had reviewed the account and reactivated it. We never got a reason for why any of this had happened, despite asking for one multiple times. Oh well, still good news right? Except nope, this was only the beginning.

    This morning I woke up to an email that about 35% of my client accounts had been deactivated and were "Under review", the kicker here being that one of those accounts is the same one they already reviewed last week! This is either the work of incompetent staff or (more likely) a bad algorithm. No reasonable human could make this mistake after last week's drama.

    So currently, my product doesn't work for 35% of my customers. Cue torrent of pissed off customer emails.

    And the best part is, this time I have an email from Stripe this time: Apparently these accounts are being flagged, despite the notes on our file, and despite the review completed literally last week, as not in compliance with Stripe's ToS. They suggest that if I believe this was done in error, I should reach out to customer support. Oh, you mean the same customer support that can't give me literally any information at all other than "We have a team looking into it"? The same customer support that won't give me any estimates as to how long it's going to take to put this fire out? The same customer support that literally looked into this a week ago and found no issues!?

    I feel like I'm going crazy over here. These accounts have hundreds of thousands of dollars in them being held hostage by an utterly incompetent team / algorithm that seems to lack any and all empathy for the havoc they wreak on businesses when they pull the rug out from under them with no warning, nor for the impact they have on customers when they all of a sudden lose all ability to make money. And all that for an account that has been using Stripe for nearly 7 years without issue!

    This goes so far beyond "customer support declining at scale." If lack of customer support means that critical integrations start to fail, that's not a customer support failure, that's a fundamental business failure.

    1. mikece ◴[] No.32854611[source]
    At what point does it make sense to sue these companies to compel them to answer these questions? I know, that's expensive... but I'm willing to contribute to a legal fund to make payment processors answer questions.
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    2. dmitrygr ◴[] No.32854667[source]
    I’ll contribute a few hundred bucks too
    3. mikece ◴[] No.32854694[source]
    Of course a logical question is: with whom do you set up a "Fund me" drive to sue the likes of PayPal and Stripe?
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    4. data_maan ◴[] No.32854725[source]
    I second this!

    Also, a lobbying effort should be funded, to compel these companies by law to provide detailed feedback.

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    6. yakorevivan ◴[] No.32854784[source]
    Same here... from a developing country, but still will contribute. These kind of actions by such monopolies piss me off badly.

    Go sue them. Also, cannot a class-action lawsuit be initiated against them? We already have many people going through such cases...?

    7. snowwrestler ◴[] No.32854839[source]
    Usually you would start with a “lawyer letter” and hope it adds some urgency to resolving your issue. Those are way faster and cheaper than actually filing suit.
    8. aynyc ◴[] No.32854850[source]
    A law firm probably has an escrow account set up for this.
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    10. dt3ft ◴[] No.32854938[source]
    Hint: at this point. Right here. Right now.
    11. aliljet ◴[] No.32854997[source]
    Corporations that provide critical services that would otherwise be hard to find elsewhere (Stripe, perhaps) use these legal threats to completely shut their customers out of their closed ecosystems. If you hold them to account, you pay a stiff penalty on the other end being denied access to the services they monopolize. And you are very likely compelled to operate using their arbitration schemes and you will have no path to swift action. I don't know how to get around this and it remains the primary reason I walk away from companies that operate terribly with their customers (I see you, AirBnB -- https://www.airbnbhell.com/), but who provide services that I sometimes really need. I'd love to understand from a lawyer what REAL paths customers have to finding swift and fair (I should lose sometimes too!) justice without an extra-judicial penalty put down by a company operating a semi-monopoly.
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    12. JohnHaugeland ◴[] No.32856089[source]
    > If you hold them to account, you pay a stiff penalty on the other end being denied access to the services they monopolize.

    Looks like they've already paid that penalty

    13. PeterisP ◴[] No.32856558[source]
    I'm not sure if suing is a reasonable way to go - suing would work if there's a legal right to continued service or "answers" but IMHO there is not, technically for such B2B deals Stripe has the legal right to say "you haven't broken any explicit restriction or terms of service, but we simply decided to terminate the contract because we didn't like your business" or "we threw a bunch of dice and arbitrarily chose to".