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Queen Elizabeth II has died

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2827 points xd | 3 comments | 08 Sep 22 17:33 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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saberience ◴[08 Sep 22 17:52 UTC] No.32769157[source]▶
It's weird, I've never considered myself a "royalist" but this news has affected me quite strongly. I just burst into tears unexpectedly on hearing this news and I don't quite understand why I feel so very sad. I guess I have grown up and lived my whole life (as a Brit) seeing and hearing the Queen, singing "God save the Queen" etc, and this news made me suddenly feel very old, very nostalgic, with the sense that all things pass in time, which makes my heart ache deeply.
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orobinson ◴[08 Sep 22 18:22 UTC] No.32769695[source]▶
I feel the same. I think it’s because it really represents the end of an era. The 20th and early 21st century ushered in unprecedented improvements to quality of life in Britain but it has felt of late that that has peaked and the country is facing a serious decline: Brexit, the increasingly visible effects of climate change, the aftermath of covid, the possible break up of the union, rising costs of living, recession, possibly even war. The death of Elizabeth II coincides with the end of a long period of stability and comfort and is not only a poignant point in history itself but a marker for a transitional point in history for our country.
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foobarian ◴[08 Sep 22 19:54 UTC] No.32771142[source]▶
I think humans have evolved to need rulers and hierarchy to look up to to some extent. Look at what happened to Americans -- once the UK royalty was gone it was replaced with celebrity. It's just human nature.
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1. hnbad ◴[09 Sep 22 07:19 UTC] No.32776292[source]▶
It isn't just human nature, though, is it?

Celebrities don't wield any power comparable to that of rulers or monarchs. We allow unbounded accumulation of wealth but that's a facet of our political and economic system.

Most social animals imbue their elders with some level of authority but this is easy to explain as an evolutionary habit to make use of lived experience and thus, hopefully, expertise. It's obvious why you'd ask the person with the most experience or the best domain knowledge for their assessment or even to lead you in that domain. It also makes sense to appoint a leader during times of war when the battlefield requires split second decisions that don't allow for consensus seeking.

But human nature is cooperative if nothing else. We resort to exclusion, hierarchy and domination/obedience only under duress, which our current system helpfully maintains perpetually.

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2. cloutchaser ◴[09 Sep 22 07:28 UTC] No.32776365[source]▶
LOL. Is that why you have president dynasties? Clintons, Bushes, Kennedys?
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3. hnbad ◴[10 Sep 22 08:06 UTC] No.32788802[source]▶
Yes. Our political and economic system maintaining duress perpetually is why the US has those, not human nature. It's also how we got monarchies, which modern capitalist systems evolved from.