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Queen Elizabeth II has died

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2827 points xd | 7 comments | 08 Sep 22 17:33 UTC | HN request time: 0.011s | source | bottom
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saberience ◴[08 Sep 22 17:52 UTC] No.32769157[source]▶
It's weird, I've never considered myself a "royalist" but this news has affected me quite strongly. I just burst into tears unexpectedly on hearing this news and I don't quite understand why I feel so very sad. I guess I have grown up and lived my whole life (as a Brit) seeing and hearing the Queen, singing "God save the Queen" etc, and this news made me suddenly feel very old, very nostalgic, with the sense that all things pass in time, which makes my heart ache deeply.
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BoxOfRain ◴[08 Sep 22 18:33 UTC] No.32769929[source]▶
The words 'God save the King' in the national anthem are going to feel very alien for a while I think, I feel a genuine sense of loss with the Queen's death. I think it comes from a place of national identity in general rather than royalism specifically, royalist or republican it can't be denied that Queen Elizabeth played a significant role in how the UK sees itself and to an extent how the rest of the world sees us and now she's suddenly not there.
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throwaway894345 ◴[08 Sep 22 18:40 UTC] No.32770059[source]▶
Honestly even the phrase from the article "In a statement, His Majesty the King said" struck me as unfamiliar.
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jesuscript ◴[08 Sep 22 18:50 UTC] No.32770219[source]▶
In most of our lifetimes we will also utter “The King and Queen of England” since Charles is already 76. British seem to treasure this tradition, where as we Americans definitely got rid of a Jefferson stature somewhere recently.

struck me as unfamiliar.

Nope, it’s been quite familiar to even someone several hundred years ago.

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1. secondcoming ◴[08 Sep 22 19:27 UTC] No.32770773[source]▶
I don't think Camilla will become Queen, but I'm not 100% sure of the arcane rules
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2. mizzao ◴[08 Sep 22 19:47 UTC] No.32771049[source]▶
I think GP may have been referring to Prince William and Catherine.
3. bregma ◴[08 Sep 22 19:53 UTC] No.32771130[source]▶
She is styled the Queen Consort. She is not a queen.
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4. Macha ◴[08 Sep 22 19:55 UTC] No.32771159[source]▶
Queen Elizabeth's mother was also "Queen Elizabeth" as wife of the king, until her daughter took the throne and she became the "Queen Mother" to distinguish which Queen Elizabeth.

(This is not the same as her mother being Queen Elizabeth I, which was the tudor queen from the 1500s, wife-of-king queens don't take up a number).

It's a weird bit of asymmetry to the husband-of-queen title being decided on an adhoc basis, having been a prince of denmark, prince-consort of the united kingdom and prince of the united kingdom respectively.

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5. jesuscript ◴[08 Sep 22 21:08 UTC] No.32772102[source]▶
Imagine it was as simple as Royal Member Level 2 and Staff Royal Family Member.
6. wlonkly ◴[08 Sep 22 23:29 UTC] No.32773439[source]▶
I know it's getting into technicalities, but "consort" modifies "queen", like "pro" modifies "airpods". The opposite is a queen regnant. Both are queens.

So while you're right that she is styled Her Majesty the Queen Consort, she is the same kind of queen that Queen Charlotte was. I think you're right that people are avoiding the phrase "Queen Camilla" at the moment but I think it will come into use.

(But she is definitely not the sovereign.)

7. caf ◴[09 Sep 22 06:51 UTC] No.32776104[source]▶
It's a weird bit of asymmetry to the husband-of-queen title being decided on an adhoc basis...

The asymmetry derives from an asymmetry in the titles themselves: the title "King" outranks the title "Queen", rather than those titles being of equal rank. You can't have someone other than the monarch outranking the monarch, so the husband of the reigning Queen can't be a King.