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Mikhail Gorbachev has died

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lapcat ◴[30 Aug 22 21:07 UTC] No.32655071[source]▶
The United States didn't do enough to help Russia transition to democracy in the 1990s. There was no "Marshall Plan" after the Cold War like there was after World War II. This was a huge mistake, and we see the consequences now, with Russia having turned back toward totalitarianism and imperialism. Sadly, it seems that Gorbachev's efforts were mostly for naught. But it was courageous at the time to open up the Soviet Union to glasnost and perestroika.

Of course Yeltsin was a big part of the problem too.

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1. wnevets ◴[30 Aug 22 21:22 UTC] No.32655277[source]▶
> The United States didn't do enough to help Russia transition to democracy in the 1990s.

Some how people manage to blame everything on the United States.

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2. markdown ◴[30 Aug 22 21:33 UTC] No.32655413[source]▶
The US manages to meddle and create problems all over the world.

A small part of the US footprint:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

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3. discodave ◴[30 Aug 22 21:37 UTC] No.32655472[source]▶
If you wanna act like a superpower, then you're going to get judged like a superpower.
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4. zdragnar ◴[30 Aug 22 21:44 UTC] No.32655541[source]▶
Ah yes, the world was such a utopia before the US.
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5. daemoens ◴[30 Aug 22 21:49 UTC] No.32655600{3}[source]▶
That doesn't invalidate the point that the US has created incredible amounts of instability around the world.
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6. pessimizer ◴[30 Aug 22 21:52 UTC] No.32655644{3}[source]▶
Why step into a conversation as if everybody else is arguing that there's heaven on earth? Are you going to ask people if they love Saddam next?
7. wnevets ◴[30 Aug 22 21:59 UTC] No.32655719[source]▶
> The US manages to meddle and create problems all over the world.

Huh? The OP is accusing the US of NOT meddling. Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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8. sgjohnson ◴[30 Aug 22 22:06 UTC] No.32655781{4}[source]▶
Actually the British are more to blame for that, as they are the ones who deliberately drew the borders of modern middle east with the explicit goal to cause maximum instability.
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9. daemoens ◴[30 Aug 22 22:10 UTC] No.32655811{5}[source]▶
Yes they are, but we overthrew a government from half of the Latin American countries in the same time period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

10. MichaelCollins ◴[30 Aug 22 22:35 UTC] No.32656031[source]▶
Wry and karmic, but nevertheless an unrealistic expectation.
11. sudosysgen ◴[30 Aug 22 22:37 UTC] No.32656045{3}[source]▶
The US meddled, and it did a lot. The OP is saying the US meddled wrong and could have meddled beneficially. If the US had decided not to meddle in the USSRs affairs, the world would have gone quite differently.
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12. wnevets ◴[30 Aug 22 22:43 UTC] No.32656110{4}[source]▶
> The OP is saying the US meddled wrong and could have meddled beneficially.

How are you getting that from the Original Post? The Original Post only mentions what the US didn't do, not what it did do.

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13. sudosysgen ◴[30 Aug 22 23:07 UTC] No.32656345{5}[source]▶
That's because of the shared historical context of the US having meddled, isn't it?