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Mikhail Gorbachev has died

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lapcat ◴[] No.32655071[source]
The United States didn't do enough to help Russia transition to democracy in the 1990s. There was no "Marshall Plan" after the Cold War like there was after World War II. This was a huge mistake, and we see the consequences now, with Russia having turned back toward totalitarianism and imperialism. Sadly, it seems that Gorbachev's efforts were mostly for naught. But it was courageous at the time to open up the Soviet Union to glasnost and perestroika.

Of course Yeltsin was a big part of the problem too.

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1. baxtr ◴[] No.32655171[source]
I once heard someone say that any country needs two attempts until democracy works out properly. Maybe it’s the same here.
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2. eastbound ◴[] No.32655630[source]
The upside of claiming nothing is set until the 3rd time, is that it takes 40-80 years for each try, and that gives plenty of time to be right.

Democracy is fragile, chaotic and dirty. The French started democracy with beheading the people that the French would have elected (Louis XVI wasn’t killed until 1793, because he tried to organize a referendum for him, which he was sure to win, and the parliament people couldn’t let that happen). Then the French elected Napoleon, which is the opposite of democracy too in its processes. Then Napoleon was demoted and a few years went by and he came back in Juans Les Pins, and conquered Paris with huge crowds growing at each village.

The whole story of democracy in each country is often a farce ending with a happy power balance, while we often turn a blind eye to blatant violations of democracy when it’s in our favour.

So there’s no first or second attempt at democracy. There are errands that countries do, and sometimes they become democratic despite having a kind at the head, sometimes they look democratic and aren’t, and sometimes the negative forces win. Lest we live in the good days.

3. johnchristopher ◴[] No.32655900[source]
What would the US's second attempt be in its history ?
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4. MichaelCollins ◴[] No.32655959[source]
The Articles of Confederation were a failure, so we tried a second time, at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, the result of which was the Constitution under which the American government has been operating since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays%27_Rebellion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Convention_(Uni...

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5. johnchristopher ◴[] No.32665733{3}[source]
Thanks !