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sudhirj ◴[] No.32641992[source]
We have this kind of censorship in India as well, even the in weirdly innocous places. In James Bond movies, and I think Gone Girl as well, scenes were by zooming into character's faces or just straight cuts.

This is probably the only reason I maintain a US iTunes accounts (used to have to buy gift cards from sketchy sites online to keep this going, but I recently discovered that my Indian Amex card works fine with a US address).

Also trivia for those who are wondering how cuts are made, at least for cinema content: all video and audio assets are usually sent to theatres in full, but there's an XML file called the CPL (composition playlist) that specifies which file is played from which to which frame / timestamp in what sequence. Pure cuts or audio censorship can be handled by just adding an entry to skip the relevant frames or timestamp, or by specifying a censor beep as the audio track for a particular time range.

https://cinepedia.com/packaging/composition/

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ginger2016 ◴[] No.32643886[source]
Given the racist protrayal of Indian American Raj Kuthrapalli, I am of the opinion Indians are magnanimous in allowing this show to be aired there.
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clouddrover ◴[] No.32643998[source]
What in particular is racist about it?
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ginger2016 ◴[] No.32644064[source]
If you have watched the show and failed see why it is racist, then we need to give some anti-racist education.

It is affirming the stereotype Indian males lack confidence with women. Raj can’t speak with women without the use of alcohol, the show constantly mocks his accent, worshipping of cows etc.

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clouddrover ◴[] No.32644125[source]
> If you have watched the show and failed see why it is racist, then we need to give some anti-racist education.

Weak.

> It is affirming the stereotype Indian males

Is your claim that there are no Indian males who lack confidence with women? Or that there are no nerdy, geeky men who lack confidence with women?

What's an example of the show mocking his accent? You do understand that's his normal speaking voice, I hope. Kunal Nayyar (the actor) grew up in India.

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ginger2016 ◴[] No.32644301[source]
Where Kunal Nayar grew is insignificant. Most of the soldiers who fought for British India were Indians themselves but that doesn’t mean the occupation of India was right. In the case of Indian soldiers it was in their personal monetary interest to fight for the British. You are trying to make a similar argument, the role advances Kunal Nayar’s career and I am sure he is in it because it helps him, doesn’t mean the show gets a pass.

I am not sure whether you are Indian or not, but if you fail to see why many Indians consider this portrayal problematic then we really need more anti-racism training in this country.

Yes, I am sure there are Indian men who lack confidence with women, but given India is 1.5 billion strong, I am sure men who are confident outnumber Raj Kuthrapalli types.

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clouddrover ◴[] No.32644364[source]
> Where Kunal Nayar grew is insignificant.

Not when it comes to his accent. It's wholly unsurprising that someone who grew up in India speaks English with an Indian accent. That isn't "mocking" his accent. That's just what his accent is.

> I am not sure whether you are Indian or not, but if you fail to see

Weak. If you can't demonstrate where this supposed racism is in the show then I'd suggest you need to start considering the very real possibility that it's not there.

> Yes, I am sure there are Indian men who lack confidence with women

Well, there's some small progress.

The only ignorance and bigotry that's been exposed here would appear to be your own. Work on that.

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astrange ◴[] No.32644629[source]
Having a TV actor speak in their natural accent might be mocking them, if it's normal to have them fake a different one.

eg David Tennant uses his Scottish accent for jokes in a show where he normally sounds English

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1. clouddrover ◴[] No.32649908[source]
> Having a TV actor speak in their natural accent might be mocking them

It isn't. You might as well say that because Matt Smith's sonic screwdriver was bigger than David Tennant's that's mocking David (but it, too, isn't):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcxm-EStpd4