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The Reason Why Are Trucks Getting Bigger

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1. themitigating ◴[] No.32425390[source]
I always thought it was a combination of masculine insecurities and one upping your neighbors.

Edit: lifted trucks, after market front bars, louder exhaust with larger exhaust tips, truck nuts, American flags or thin blue line flags covering the rear window.. None of these are from government regulations

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2. honkkong420 ◴[] No.32425409[source]
Then why don’t people buy class 8 semi trucks?
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4. bombcar ◴[] No.32425526[source]
They require a special license.

But, in the USA, you can drive up to 26,000 GVW with a normal license, so everyone should be driving box trucks or similar.

5. happytoexplain ◴[] No.32425532[source]
Nothing in the parent's hypothesis implies that the normal mitigating factors like cost/practicality don't apply.

Also, size is only one prominent factor in masculinity. E.g. a pickup truck is frequently seen as more masculine than an RV.

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6. pc86 ◴[] No.32425547[source]
The need for a CDL is one obvious reason. It looks like the internet disagrees on whether CDL requirements start at class 6 or 7, so we're really only talking about 1-5. And I've definitely seen 4s and 5s on the highway that have probably never seen a spec of dirt in their life. So there are certainly some people just looking to get the biggest thing they can legally drive.
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7. sethammons ◴[] No.32425681[source]
My wife has a large truck and we bought it when we had no neighbors living in the middle of nowhereville Montana. She bought it because she was terrified to drive her prius around because bigger trucks would tail gate, break too late and nearly kill her, and generally antagonize the smaller car. So she got a giant Dodge Ram and now feels safe to drive. Now that we've moved out to the city, she feels even safer.

I like that when I hit two deer in it there was zero, absolutely zero, damage to the vehicle. Thank you brush guard.

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8. nsxwolf ◴[] No.32425902[source]
The masculine insecurities / penis size thing seems awfully unscientific to me. It's basically just a slur.
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9. themitigating ◴[] No.32426049[source]
It's not as simplistic as "penis size" it's part of a culture where being manliness and independence is valued. People are also told we need to be tougher and how we are losing what makes America great.

For example "In the trailer for "The End of Men," Tucker Carlson worries about "the total collapse of testosterone levels in American men,"

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10. wyager ◴[] No.32426189{3}[source]
> Tucker Carlson worries about "the total collapse of testosterone levels in American men,"

This is not just him shouting random polemic; this is a scientifically measurable and deeply concerning medical trend. https://www.urologytimes.com/view/testosterone-levels-show-s...

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11. tstrimple ◴[] No.32426772[source]
> Now that we've moved out to the city, she feels even safer.

Sure. Now she's the one making others feel unsafe.

12. weberer ◴[] No.32427192{3}[source]
Pretty sure he's talking about the literal levels from blood tests. It is actually a very concerning issue.
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13. bradjohnson ◴[] No.32427485[source]
This comment is so lacking in self awareness it must be satire.
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14. themitigating ◴[] No.32428237{4}[source]
No. Please view the trailer at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcxLQeh6J6A it's the most homoerotic things I've ever seen, and I work in gay porn
15. themitigating ◴[] No.32428373{4}[source]
Yes it is and according to what you linked to "According to Lokeshwar, potential causes for these declines could be increased obesity/BMI, assay variations, diet/phytoestrogens, declined exercise and physical activity, fat percentage, marijuana use, and environmental toxins."

Tucker Carlson is using it as a very thin excuse to basically make a series about how men need to be more like a particular cultural concept of men. Here's the trailer for "The End of Men" nowhere does it mention that study or a testosterone drop. Maybe the show itself touches on that but in my opinion that would only be so people like you could justify what is basically a propaganda video for right wing masculine culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcxLQeh6J6A

16. driverdan ◴[] No.32428415{3}[source]
CDLs only apply for commercial use. You can drive a tractor without one if it's for personal use.
17. themitigating ◴[] No.32428580[source]
"The city"? That's not well defined because there are suburban areas where crime is greater than cities and vice versa.

As for safety "In 2013-16, car occupants were only 28 percent more likely to die in collisions with SUVs than with cars" [1] So you are correct. There is one problem here and that's

"Although pickups are also less of a threat than they used to be, in 2013-16 they were still 2½ times as likely to kill the driver of a car they crashed into, compared with a car colliding with another car"

This reminds me of hoarding, thinking the way you or your wife does just keeps upping the game. Maybe you'll need an even bigger truck because all trucks are large to feel safe. Now everyone is driving fuel inefficient vehicles both wasting money and hurting the environment. You said you are rural so I wonder how much you spend on gas and what could you do with that savings.

[1] https://www.iihs.org/topics/vehicle-size-and-weight

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18. themitigating ◴[] No.32428719[source]
Come on. Because they are exponentially more expensive to operate and much more complex to drive. You also can't park them easily, blah blah blah, CDL, blah blah. I get your sarcasm, but people buy the largest passenger vehicle because they fit within reason but still allow them to brandish themselves.

Assuming most don't offroad; There was a study that said trucks are used for hauling/offroad less than 20%~ more than once a year). I can't find it anymore so you can call me on that.

Lifting a truck reduces efficiency by creating drag and uplift (I believe that's what it's called). It also raises the center of gravity which greatly reduces handling and increases the possibility of rolling over

Chunky off-road tires wear out faster, are less efficient, and reduce handling on the road.

Extra lights, as well as lifting your truck without adjusting the lights, blind other drivers creating a safety hazard.

So more gas, more money, less safety for everyone, but the person stands out more, like large horns on animal, it's all about peacocking.

And yes, I know this is done in other ways, fancy loud sports cars, showing off money, clothing, etc. If that was going to your response, then I'll throw down the whataboutism card and do a double reverse move and point out those have less effect on the environment and safety. Yes, I know fast fashion is bad for the environment, kids in blahstan, but it's about levels not bad or good.

19. sethammons ◴[] No.32429575{3}[source]
see, the thing is, I highly value my wife over anyone else on the road. The game is rigged.
20. sethammons ◴[] No.32429603{3}[source]
can you expand on that? The lack of self-awareness because she would prefer to be in the big vehicle? She should lower how safe she feels because ... it would make a car driver safer?
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21. bradjohnson ◴[] No.32429865{4}[source]
I'd love to. Your story went from driving a Prius in the countryside to happily mowing down deer in your giant truck while living in the city.

Presumably others are now terrified to be around your massive vehicle, and you don't appear to have bought it for a practical purpose, so the premise that your wife was made to feel unsafe is then not an indictment of industrial sized vehicles making the roads less safe for others. Instead, it is embracing the stereotypical American pursuit of having the biggest baddest mfing vehicle on the road in a "fuck you I got mine" race to the bottom. It reads as a pretty good satire: "Woman in fear of being crushed by giant vehicle feels much better now that others fear being crushed by her giant vehicle."

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22. sethammons ◴[] No.32430897{5}[source]
In a comment that says "masculine insecurities and one upping your neighbors," I reply with an anecdote about a female feeling safer, showing that the statement is not universal.

You say the comment is lacking in self awareness because she has become what she feared. I'd say that is not lacking self awareness though it definitely feeds into the "race to the bottom." That is orthogonal to self awareness, it is tragedy of the commons. She has no obligation to lower her sense of safety to make others feel better.

23. honkkong420 ◴[] No.32469560{3}[source]
What makes a vehicle masculine? I know plenty of women who own trucks who insist their truck isn’t.