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The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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733 points gjsman-1000 | 3 comments | 26 Jul 22 03:46 UTC | HN request time: 2.125s | source
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__void ◴[26 Jul 22 07:08 UTC] No.32235294[source]▶
nowadays 98% of things implying "security" are actually unwanted products, protections for "the other side" or trivial distortions of reality where, conveyed by "security" itself, the user himself becomes the product

- no, I don't need protections for the side channel, I never asked for them

- no, I don't need a unique identifier, who is the demented person who asked you for it

- no, I am not going to glitch the power supply, and even if I did it means I am interested in doing it and wish it worked instead I was prevented from doing it

- no, I don't care at all about having a hw store for certificates, which are ephemeral and dropped from above anyway so what am I supposed to trust?

- and so on

"not secure by design" nowadays comes close to being a coveted feature

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1. userbinator ◴[26 Jul 22 13:36 UTC] No.32238085[source]▶
no, I don't need a unique identifier

People fought against that and actually won, 23 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10106870

Unfortunately, that may have been the only victory, as they slowly started introducing a lot of other stuff silently under the guise of "security".

"not secure by design" nowadays comes close to being a coveted feature

Absolutely. As the saying goes, "insecurity is freedom".

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2. marcosdumay ◴[26 Jul 22 17:05 UTC] No.32240940[source]▶
Hum... Looks like you didn't notice we losing.

At that same time, Microsoft started using your HDD serial as an identifier. Nowadays there are unique identifiers in most of your hardware, including the north bridge of your motherboard and the TPM that windows now requires.

Also, mobile devices got all kinds of unique identifiers from day 0.

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3. userbinator ◴[27 Jul 22 01:06 UTC] No.32245887[source]▶
No, I sure did notice --- that's why I said "the only victory". All the other battles seem to either have been lost or surrendered without a fight.