The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

Mein Kampf is a banned book which I don't think many would disagree with. There are many other such books filled with propaganda that are rightly banned. I don't see why other propaganda-filled books that are being pushed on unsuspecting children shouldn't be banned too, unless the only reason is that you dislike the direction of the propaganda.

> I don't see why other propaganda-filled books that are being pushed on unsuspecting children shouldn't be banned too

Face book, for example…

:sigh:

Call me biased but I do indeed regard "the Jews are an evil scourge" to be more worthy of banning than "climate change is real".

You are conflating ban and don't-push.

If today it's "obvious" what's bad; When this generation dies off, who is appointed master of the universe and decides what's bad? It won't be you. It'll be the guys with the money; See Pluton. They're already paving the way for just that (at least in tech and what your wallet must must must spend). But, I digress.

You shouldn't ban books. You should teach morals.

My friend, Swim, who is a Jew living in Israel doesn't support banning Mein Kampf. So much so that when Swim's friend ordered it from Amazon, neither opposed it. Curriculum teaches about Hitler's rise to power and the abuse of his people to do so. That's more than enough to understand not to follow in his footstep. Swim's friend was interested in Hitler's political prowess.

I'm not interested in Mein Kampf. But, if someone is, he most surely has the right to read it. Kill the way some fanatics did because of it? No, that's immoral.

Who decides morality? That's complex, I think. But, I also think it is an innate intuition that lives in all of us.

> Mein Kampf is a banned book

Not everywhere in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf#Current_availabilit...)

In the USA, freedom of speech is in very high regard, and that’s in conflict with the idea of banning any publication.

Mein Kampf is not banned in my country, I can buy it, and I think everybody should be able to read it.

You cannot defend against something you don't understand.

Reading it (or the little red book), you will notice there is nothing incredible about it.

It's a good way to understand the banality of evil.

It's a good way to see what currently in our society echoes it: we are not freed from evil, it can come back any time.

And the "push on unsuspecting children" narrative is worn out. Nobody push such dangerous book on children unless already twisted. Nobody ever told me "read it, it's good for you". Everybody always said: "dangerous book, read it with history in mind", if they ever talked about it.

We push Harry Potter on kids, not Mein Kampf.

It's not banned here in the US[0][1][2]. Nor should it be IMHO.

I say that as a person of Eastern European/Jewish extraction.

Do I like fascists/fascism? No. Do I like Nazis? No.

But I do like freedom of expression. And if the price of that freedom is that hateful scumbags get to speak their piece, that's okay with me. But I'll have something to say about it too. As it should be.

[0] https://archive.org/details/mein-kampf-audiobook

[1] https://harperandharley.org/pdf/mein-kampf/

[2] https://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf-Adolf-Hitler-ebook/dp/B002...

I think many would disagree with the banning of it, not based on its contents but based on the principle of not banning books in general and not banning speech that’s unpopular.

Unpopular speech needs more protection than popular speech, not less.

Mein Kampf was not banned in Germany either. It is just that after Hitler's death, having no heirs, the state of Bavaria got the printing rights and decided not to allow printing of them (there was a heavily commented version made for academics like a study bible). Meaning all prints violated copyright until the book enters public domain.

Ironically Harry Potter was banned at my school. (Witchcraft!)

I don't even think it's banned in Germany anymore. If I remember correctly it was banned for a while, but the ban was lifted and people bought it up like crazy. Not because they were Secret Nazis all along, but because people really hate being told they aren't allowed to access certain ideas. It's human nature to want to know the things you're forbidden from learning about.

Shouldn't this be considered as strong evidence that copyright is just censorship?

If you're in the US there are not really any truly banned books. There are books that are banned from certain libraries (mostly school libraries).

But, imagine that a school adopts the DRM processes described in the article and requires this study level of control even on personal devices that are used for school. Suddenly those book bans can be enforced digitally by the school and will totally cut off access to certain books that the school chooses.

You might say that it's within the school's rights to do this for a device that is used for school and if you don't like it then use a different device. Now that's a system where there is a class-divide on the information that one is physically able to consume on their devices.

You might think Mein Kampf is ban-worthy, but the whole point is actually that you should not ban any book at all, because once you start banning books it becomes far too easy for more books to be banned. All it will take is one regime change in a school district's PTA for new books, that you maybe think should not be banned, to be added to the list.

It's worth considering the most banned books in America. His Dark Materials. A fantastic young adult fantasy novel that pokes harder at religion than some Christians can bear.

Apparently it has also been banned in places for Fatphobia among other progressive reasons[0].

[0] When It Comes to Banning Books, Both Right and Left Are Guilty | Opinion: https://www.newsweek.com/when-it-comes-banning-books-both-ri...

> But, imagine that a school adopts the DRM processes described in the article and requires this study level of control even on personal devices that are used for school.

The prerequisite for this to happen is that the school removes all physical editions of the books and has digital editions for all content, and a lending program for the books that is sufficient to satisfy publishers... and all students have digital book readers able to access the school library.

I don't see this happening in the near (or even within the decade) future. There is far too much content that is physical only, publishers haven't embraced digital editions for libraries, school libraries don't have the technical resources (physical or in many cases human) to convert their collections to digital.

The hypothetical school book ban for digital editions is needlessly alarmist.

When those resources are available to schools, then yes - lets talk about it... though the school banning books will continue to mean "that resource isn't in our collection" and a student can go to another library (or in many cases book store) and get a copy of that book for themselves. This is no different than today.