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Tailscale raises $100M

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854 points gmemstr | 15 comments | 04 May 22 13:17 UTC | HN request time: 1.404s | source | bottom
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pilif ◴[04 May 22 13:42 UTC] No.31260250[source]▶
With such a huge investment comes the obligation to eventually pay it back. Is this another one of my favourite tools going the way of Dropbox, 1Password and all other companies that were formed around what should be a platform feature, which took on way too large investment sums and were eventually forced to become the everything, losing sight of their core values?

I sincerely hope not, but there's so much bad precedent.

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Lightbody ◴[04 May 22 13:48 UTC] No.31260351[source]▶
I haven't really felt like 1Password's product materially strayed from the original mission. If anything, I'm even more delighted with the team functionality, shared vaults, quick keyboard access in 1Password 8, etc.

I wouldn't put them in the Dropbox bucket.

Also, I think the value Tailscale provides is fairly unique and far from obviously a platform feature like file storage and perhaps even password management.

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xyzzy_plugh ◴[04 May 22 13:54 UTC] No.31260433[source]▶
Indeed, 1Password is practically a utility at this point, as far as I'm concerned. I really like the direction they're heading and they're solving some pretty tricky problems without compromising on security, predominantly in the enterprise domain. The experience is the same regardless of whether you're an enterprise user or a personal or family user. It's polished enough that my grandma can use it.
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1. alberth ◴[04 May 22 13:57 UTC] No.31260486[source]▶
> I really like the direction [1Password] is heading

I thought customers were complainingly loudly against their new direction of making 1Password an Electron app. Is that not the case?

Note: I'm not a 1Password customer.

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2. throwaway894345 ◴[04 May 22 14:04 UTC] No.31260579[source]▶
I heard some people complaining a bit for a moment when they made the transition, but that happens anytime anyone changes anything and doubly so when that change is Electron. But that faded quickly.
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3. dimgl ◴[04 May 22 14:17 UTC] No.31260772[source]▶
I didn't even notice... 1Password is great. There are some minor issues here and there but it always feels like they very quickly patch it up.
4. jchw ◴[04 May 22 14:22 UTC] No.31260840[source]▶
Modern 1password using Electron is sad in some respects, but hardly surprising. Even people who use Electron hate Electron. The real differentiating factor is those who understand why.
5. mmcclure ◴[04 May 22 14:50 UTC] No.31261253[source]▶
I...don't think it's faded. I could totally be wrong here, but I don't think they'd actually made a transition yet; the complaining you're talking about was over the 1Password 8 beta. That actually just went GA this week, and people were still upset.

I get why they're doing it (or, at least, think I do), and I'm not angry enough to go get angry on Twitter, but I am going to avoid the upgrade for as long as I can. That's kind of a bummer to get there with a product you've historically really liked.

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6. throwaway894345 ◴[04 May 22 15:00 UTC] No.31261423{3}[source]▶
Honestly I haven't noticed and I use 1Password on all of my devices every day. I heard some grumblings about 1Password changing to electron months ago and just assumed that they already made the transition. In whatever case, I haven't heard a peep until this thread. I don't like electron in theory and the industry should collectively come up with a solution that incentivizes app developers away from electron rather than hoping they swim against the current of incentive.
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7. sleepybrett ◴[04 May 22 15:14 UTC] No.31261642[source]▶
Removing the ability to use it in a non-saas (local vaults, vaults shared by other syncing solutions) capacity is what drove the final nail into the 1password coffin for me. I can't trust that they don't hold master keys to all the vaults on their saas offerings.

The swap from native to electron on macos was hugely disappointing but something I could have probably lived with if they hadn't gone full saas no alternative.

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8. skoskie ◴[04 May 22 15:39 UTC] No.31262019{4}[source]▶
You might double check which version you’re on. Might still be on v7.

> the industry should collectively come up with a solution that incentivizes app developers away from electron rather than hoping they swim against the current of incentive.

They have the financial resources to build it in ~Rust but still chose electron. It’s a mind boggling decision.

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9. davidwparker ◴[04 May 22 15:46 UTC] No.31262108[source]▶
Maybe technical customers who knew it were Electron. I knew, and don't really care. My wife doesn't even know what Electron is- everything is just another app to her.
10. throwaway894345 ◴[04 May 22 16:24 UTC] No.31262610{5}[source]▶
> They have the financial resources to build it in ~Rust but still chose electron. It’s a mind boggling decision.

Respectfully, I think you may misunderstand the company’s mission.

11. st3fan ◴[04 May 22 19:09 UTC] No.31264572[source]▶
> I thought customers were complainingly loudly against ...

No, you confuse "customers" with a vocal minority.

12. SparkyMcUnicorn ◴[04 May 22 20:49 UTC] No.31265678[source]▶
> I can't trust that they don't hold master keys to all the vaults on their saas offerings.

So you think they could be lying about their fundamental selling point, and hiding it in all of their audits? Personally, I'd trust them more than Apple/Google/etc.

https://support.1password.com/1password-security/

https://1passwordstatic.com/files/security/1password-white-p...

https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/

13. skinnymuch ◴[04 May 22 22:06 UTC] No.31266473[source]▶
A small vocal minority. The company’s two relatively recent fund raises are massive.
14. pid-1 ◴[05 May 22 01:49 UTC] No.31268413[source]▶
IMO it's still the best pw manager by a fair margin.
15. Groxx ◴[07 May 22 21:33 UTC] No.31298817[source]▶
Yep, ramming online vaults down everyone's throat is also what killed it for me. Since then I've gone from a massive supporter to recommending everyone look elsewhere.

Their online security-related UX is also a freaking nightmare. The desktop and mobile apps are excellent and still clearly the best, but yikes, their password plus secret uuid plus device identity is awful. I know multiple people who permanently lost everything thanks to that (remember, no local backups any more! That's what cloud storage almost always guarantees!), and they now push others away too.

I'm now a (relatively) happy KeePass user.