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jefftk ◴[] No.30792694[source]
Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!
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reitanqild ◴[] No.30793192[source]
I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway.

The big question is:

Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

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geodel ◴[] No.30793292[source]
What is that insane salary? Seems you have no idea about how much executives are paid at that level in general. Or for Mozilla everyone has to work for free?
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cnasc ◴[] No.30793341[source]
Does Mozilla pay their software developers an industry-standard TC?
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1. pc86 ◴[] No.30793456[source]
It looks like Mozilla's average SDE salary is about $120k, so yes.

The national median software developer salary is something like $110k. The middle 50% range is like $85-150k, so if you're making above 150k TC you're already in the top 1/4 of developers, who are already very high up in general.

I say this because people on HN love to pretend that "industry-standard" means $250k+ for new grads and $400k for experienced ICs when that's just not true. FAANG-level salaries (which can absolutely be 300, 400, 500k TC) are the 1% of the 1%.

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2. cnasc ◴[] No.30793751[source]
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to compare the take-home-pay of a Google engineer working on Chrome to that of a Mozilla engineer working on Firefox. That’s a good peer comparison to make.

It is definitely unreasonable to compare a Mozilla engineer’s pay to an average brought down by body-shop CRUD operations. They’re really not the same industry.

3. sendilkumarn ◴[] No.30793798[source]
That definitely feels a bit low. Is this considering only US or worldwide?
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4. flyingfences ◴[] No.30794058[source]
Outside of SV/NYC, that's not low at all.
5. justapassenger ◴[] No.30794235[source]
> FAANG-level salaries (which can absolutely be 300, 400, 500k TC) are the 1% of the 1%.

Mozilla is going against FAANG products like Chrome. Compared to the competition their salaries are tiny.

6. pc86 ◴[] No.30795316[source]
It's the US median salary. If you're outside of SV and NYC, as a new grad you're looking at $60-70k, with no bonus and no stock (because outside of tech 99% of companies don't give their employees stock until they're at the director/VP level).
7. sciurus ◴[] No.30795331[source]
> It looks like Mozilla's average SDE salary is about $120k, so yes.

I'm not sure where you're getting that number, but it's much too low.

The figures at https://www.levels.fyi/company/Mozilla/salaries/Software-Eng... better match what I saw when I worked at Mozilla.

You can compare compensation at equivalent levels for Mozilla and peer companies at https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Mozilla,Microsoft,Apple,Goog... . You'll see that Mozilla pays well, but significantly less than them.

8. comp_throw7 ◴[] No.30799215[source]
> FAANG-level salaries (which can absolutely be 300, 400, 500k TC) are the 1% of the 1%.

FAANG & companies that pay similarly employ something like 8-10% of the engineers in the country, so this is an enormous overexaggeration. We can quibble about whether it's reasonable to represent that as "industry standard" or not, but it's not such a drastic outlier that it becomes unreasonable to use it as a point of reference when discussing things that might be reasonable to aim for (or expect, in certain contexts).