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1. specialist ◴[] No.29703385[source]
I just want to control the viewing experience, not hoard warez.

Effortless rewind, skip filler (car chases, sex), play at x1.25 speed, etc.

aka the "Blu-Ray experience".

If that means I gotta bypass the DRM and download, so be it.

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Some shows have my complete rapt attention. I'll keenly watch (and rewatch) every single frame. Like Netflix's Maniac. OMG. So frikkin good. (So many other examples.)

Other shows, especially rewatching a series, I just want to focus on the character development, dialog, and plot points.

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2. searine ◴[] No.29703541[source]
FYI There is a great chrome extension that allows you to control playback speed, and it works on just about every video site.
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3. mtsr ◴[] No.29703695[source]
Similar extensions exist for Firefox as well.
4. specialist ◴[] No.29703791[source]
I'm interested. Link? I'll mosdef try it.

For whatever I reason, I have to use Firefox to watch Disney+. (Mac Safari will always eventually ABEND. Shouldn't Apple regression test Safari on the Top X most popular sites?!)

As for spotty rewind, like with Netflix, another comment might have the explanation (root cause); streams are broken into individually encrypted chunks. So of course there's lag (latency) when jumping around the timeline.

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5. ramraj07 ◴[] No.29703861[source]
Who the hell skips car chases? What movie had a car chase that you wanted to skip that made that movie more watchable (this sentence applies to the furious films as well, skipping the chase scenes there gives you the dumbest drama of all time).
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6. tyingq ◴[] No.29703880[source]
Imagining "Baby Driver" edited this way.
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7. orhmeh09 ◴[] No.29703892[source]
I think car chases are really boring, so I would. I also don’t drive, so maybe car chases appeal more to drivers.
8. JZL003 ◴[] No.29703997[source]
On my phone so can't respond fully but if you select the <video> element in chrome and Firefox, you can control the .playbackRate attribute. Extensions can be useful but also abused, this is simple enough to do with a bookmarklet or manually
9. odiroot ◴[] No.29704006[source]
As a counter example, I watch Bullitt just for the car chase.
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10. specialist ◴[] No.29704011{3}[source]
Exceptions to every rule, right? The car chases in Baby Driver are crucial to the story. So good.
11. boardwaalk ◴[] No.29704052[source]
Car chases are often filler like action scenes in general are filler, IMO.

It's not universally true and depends on how consequential the scenes are. If you could flash "<insert fight scene here where X gets the upper hand>" instead and not miss much, I don't want it.

Movies with top, top notch action and/or better integrated action are exceptions. The original Matrix, John Wick movies, Baby Driver, The Italian Job, Mission Impossible, etc.

Superhero movies are usually not (it feels like they paste the drama and the action together in editing and it's dreadful).

> (this sentence applies to the furious films as well, skipping the chase scenes there gives you the dumbest drama of all time)

Well, yes, and I don't watch those movies :d.

(I don't actually skip these car chases, but I do often zone out.)

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12. m-p-3 ◴[] No.29704122[source]
I have the best possible experience by ripping my own Blu-Rays into my own Plex server, including all the languages, subtitles and commentaries. Easy to use, kids-friendly (no dirty fingers on discs), playable from anywhere, including offline with synced copies, and I don't pay a monthly fee to watch the content I already paid for.

I wouldn't go back to subscription-based services, even if that means I have to wait for a disc release. At least there's a market for used Blu-Rays so I don't have to pay a fortune.

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13. mysterydip ◴[] No.29704136[source]
I have sat through some movies just for the car chases.
14. specialist ◴[] No.29704160{3}[source]
Yup. Just depends on the telling.

"There are only two types of music. Good music and bad music." -- Duke Ellington.

15. 29athrowaway ◴[] No.29704166[source]
Fast and Furious 1 was a decent film that I enjoyed. I even have watched more than once.

But the sequels are a different story. Those were unnecessary and absurd.

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16. 29athrowaway ◴[] No.29704203{3}[source]
It is not the fact they are a car chase but their relevance in the story.

Personally when I rewatch the Back to the Future trilogy, I skip much of the car chasing stuff.

17. mongol ◴[] No.29704347{3}[source]
Yes but is not Bullit the original "car chase" movie?
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18. dijit ◴[] No.29704436[source]
> aka the "Blu-Ray experience"

Have you actually used blu-ray or are you thinking about DVDs (and Blu-rays are a natural evolution in your mind?)

Because, honestly, Blu-rays are atrocious.

Every so often I actually buy a BluRay, not only to support the work but also because in the case of losing internet (but not power) I'd like to watch a small selection of carefully curated movies.

I was in such a position 2 years ago, I had moved home and the internet had not yet been installed.

Did you know that in order to play blurays on the Playstation 4 (a Sony product, where Sony is also the maker of the BluRay spec and it was even a Sony movie!) that the device must be connected to the internet to play bluray's?? I didn't.. that was a shock.

So I took to Linux, which... just couldn't play it...

Why?

The DRM keys could not be installed along with VLC (or something), after googling for half a day on my phones 4G to figure it out I ended up not significantly wiser and realised I'd been hoarding a bunch of useless plastic.

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19. specialist ◴[] No.29704553[source]
Busted. I conflated the two. Apart from the FBI warning and goofy one-off menus, I mostly loved DVDs.
20. pm215 ◴[] No.29704568[source]
Thanks for the heads-up about ps4 bluray playing. Apparently (assuming reddit posts to be correct) the internet requirement is a one-time thing where it downloads codecs, and Sony is supposedly doing it this way so they only pay the codec licensing fee for ps4s whose owners ever actually play a bluray rather than for ever ps4 ever shipped. So I'll make sure to do a test bluray play and then fingers crossed if I want to watch something in future when the internet is out it will work...
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21. dijit ◴[] No.29704665[source]
Do you have a guide for doing this?

I think I killed my bluray drive but I'd consider buying another one if I can rip decent enough quality movies from them.

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22. jackson1442 ◴[] No.29704738{3}[source]
Use MakeMKV to pull an MKV off the disc, then use Handbrake to compress it to a reasonable size. Relatively easy, just takes a bit.
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23. odiroot ◴[] No.29705067{4}[source]
For a moment I thought The Italian Job (the original one) was first. But you're right, Bullitt is older by a year.

Bullitt was definitely unmatched for a long time.

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24. marcodiego ◴[] No.29705135{3}[source]
Meme scenes like "This is Brazil" and "The winner gets me" are icons of absurdity.
25. m-p-3 ◴[] No.29705213{4}[source]
You can skip the MakeMKV part and directly encode through Handbrake if you add the required libraries (libaacs, libbdplus) in your Handbrake install directory and grab decryption key database (which I won't link here). You can do the same with commercial DVDs and the libdvdcss library.

Then it's just a matter of opening the disc directly in Handbrake.

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26. rishimaharaj ◴[] No.29705261{3}[source]
This is the one that I use to control video speed pretty much anywhere (works on any Chromium based browsers): [Video Speed Controller](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-speed-contro...)
27. fishtacos ◴[] No.29705336{3}[source]
Memory isn't quite what it used to be, but if I recall, this was also the case with the Sony PSP, Vita, PS3 and XBOX 360. They all required a separate activation step for playback of specific licensed codecs (I believe it was both MPEG2 and h264, varying with system).

Unfortunate that a pretty basic piece of functionality is forever lost once the activation servers are taken down.

28. eatbitseveryday ◴[] No.29705409{4}[source]
I thought blu-ray decoding was not possible. I remember long ago the DVD keys were extracted but it became impossible for blu-ray, except with a modified blu-ray disk drive with an older firmware that enabled this.
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29. doublepg23 ◴[] No.29705432{4}[source]
Assuming it’s 1080p not UHD I’ll often keep the MKV with how cheap storage is.
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30. doublepg23 ◴[] No.29705451{5}[source]
I bought a “cheap” ($100 at the time) USB3 bluray player and it ripped discs fine - even on Linux. I believe MakeMKV has you install the necessary libraries for decrypting.
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31. sergiotapia ◴[] No.29705464[source]
You might like vidangel, never used them though.

https://www.vidangel.com/

32. eatbitseveryday ◴[] No.29705692{6}[source]
I think I read (on an Amazon review for a specific LG blu-ray product) that updates to the firmware of new devices happened in 2016 and no longer allowed reading 4K commercial films from that medium. I'd have to try and see how to do it today.
33. salamandersauce ◴[] No.29705857[source]
Want something worse? Blu-ray constantly changes the keys as they get cracked/over time. If you don't have new keys you can't play new discs. Our first Blu-ray player stopped getting firmware updates and so stopped getting new codes. Became basically junk as who wants a Blu-ray player where it only can play films released pre-2012?
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34. LinuxBender ◴[] No.29706024[source]
I skip most of them. This is just my own personal preference but unless someone comes up with a new angle on this they are just boring and repetitive for me personally. The same goes for most fight scenes. I spent many decades watching martial arts films and now find most of the fight scenes to be repetitive. The only recent exceptions to this I can think of are the Bourne series, Kate and the first John Wick film. Prior to those, Kung Fu Hustle because of the mixed in comedy and thousands of movie references. Nothing else really comes to mind that I wouldn't skip.
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35. cf100clunk ◴[] No.29706139{5}[source]
The "Highway Patrol" TV series of the 1950s was a precursor of the car chase genre, as were some notable film noirs that elevated car pursuits as story lines i.e. High Sierra, White Heat. Agreed that Bullitt is exemplary, but don't forget The French Connection, Duel, Easy Rider, Two Lane Blacktop, and Vanishing Point and you have some great car/bike films of Bullitt's era. The hoaxy C'etait un Rendez-vous is likewise great if you don't do the time/distance math.
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36. cdubzzz ◴[] No.29706529{3}[source]
Check out Atomic Blonde as well (for good fight scenes). There is a certain style of exhaustion about the fights in that film that I really love. I don't skip fight scenes regularly but I do also find most of them boring as hell and hard to watch (primarily because of excessive cutting).
37. MattPalmer1086 ◴[] No.29706658{5}[source]
I've found MakeMKV to be much more reliable than Handbrake for ripping.
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38. Fnoord ◴[] No.29706829{3}[source]
Then half a day time could've been saved by having the PS4 briefly connected to the internet via 4G.
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40. charwalker ◴[] No.29707443{3}[source]
That's probably why the PS4 needs internet, fresh keys/updates fetched when launching the disk.
41. m-p-3 ◴[] No.29707572{6}[source]
In my case I could never get MakeMKV to recognizey blu-ray drive, even when running the program with admin privileges.

And why run MakeMKV then run the MKV in HandBrake if I'm going to transcode it to x265 anyway. At this point I'll do both at once.

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42. m-p-3 ◴[] No.29707620{5}[source]
IRRC they usually roll new master keys periodically, which normally requires a firmware update to get an updated set model-specific decryption keys, which I believe they can blacklist if the drive is compromised. Feel free to correct me on this, I'm a bit rusty on the matter.

I haven't bought new movies lately, but I've been able to rip all the blu-rays I currently own with my old Blu-Ray drive.

43. jackson1442 ◴[] No.29707645{5}[source]
I _think_ you can rip it to a 4K UHD mp4 but it's been a while since I've done this. Tricky part is really compatibility, not sure if some of the apps I use to stream from NAS support MKV.
44. ramraj07 ◴[] No.29709573{3}[source]
My point is, it’s almost unheard of that a good movie has a boring car chase. Or at the least the movie is a good action movie. If you’re watching Fast 5 or whatever, of course the chase is campy but the entire movie is campy. What are you watching the movie if not for the chase? The plot?

Even in the Bourne films with ostensibly better story lines, I’m struggling to understand how you’d be interested in watching those movies if you’re actually not interested in watching the chase scenes fully. I often just watch the chase scenes on YouTube to give where I’m coming from. I rented Bullit and Ronin and watched then just for the chase. So I suppose I’m the opposite.

45. MattPalmer1086 ◴[] No.29712660{7}[source]
I use ffmpeg to batch convert ripped files. Decoupling ripping from transcoding is more efficient for me. I can get all the ripping done as fast as possible. Transcoding takes a lot longer.
46. thomastjeffery ◴[] No.29719999[source]
Also performance. I have moderately high-end hardware, and Netflix's windows app stutters drawing subtitles.

Using MPC-HC with LAV splitters/decoders is flawless, even with low-end hardware.

And Smooth Video Project is an excellent alternative to $1000+ "smart" TV frame interpolation.

And even with a gigabit symmetric connection, every streaming service's CDN struggles and gives me a low bitrate every few minutes.

47. nebula8804 ◴[] No.29723168[source]
Good News! Look into makemkv and the associated forums. There are a couple of Blueray drives that can have their firmware modified to strip the DRM from the discs and give you clean files you can then play in VLC, MakeMKV or any other player. It gets even better! The software strips DRM but then also bundles the subtitles, all audio tracks, all different angles and everything else into a single file so that you just double click and the movie starts. Its the best of all worlds. Yeah you might have to buy a Blue-ray drive and man are these files large (35-100GB) but I think its worth to so I can banish these discs back into my closet where I will never have to deal with their restrictions again!
48. nebula8804 ◴[] No.29723172{5}[source]
There are a few drives that when modified can rip 4k. It is a pain and the drives are kinda slow but it works.
49. mongol ◴[] No.29724653{6}[source]
But did not also many James Bond movies feature car chases prior to this? Or do their car chases differ perhaps?
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50. cf100clunk ◴[] No.29774763{7}[source]
Bond films did not exist in the classic film noir era of the 1940s and 50s, but yes they did precede Bullitt and are a good example of films with car chases as major plot devices.