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1703 points danrocks | 15 comments | | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom

Recently I interviewed with Stripe for an engineering MoM (Manager of Managers) for one of their teams. I interview regularly, so I am used to many types of processes, feedback mechanisms, and so on. I won't go into details about the questions because there's nothing special about them, but I wanted to share some details of my experience for people thinking of interviewing there.

1) About 35-40% of the interviewers started their questioning by saying "I will only need 20 minutes for this", while emphasizing it is an important leadership position that they are hiring for. So 20 minutes is all needed to identify "important, critical leaders"? What a strange thing to say - also a GREAT way to make candidates feel important and wanted!

2) There is significant shuffling of interviewers and schedules. One almost has to be on-call to be able to react quickly.

3) For an engineering manager position, I only interviewed with only technical person. To me it hints that Engineering MoM is not a very technical position.

4) Of all the people I spoke to, the hiring manager was the one I spoke the least with. The phone screen was one of the "I only need 20 minutes for this" calls. The other one was quite amusing, and is described below.

5) After the loop was done, the recruiter called me to congratulate me on passing, and started discussing details of the offer, including sending me a document described the equity program. Recruiter mentioned that the hiring manager would be calling me to discuss the position next.

6) SURPRISE INTERVIEW! I get a call from the hiring manager, he congratulates me on passing the loop, then as I prepare to ask questions about the role, he again says "I need to ask you two questions and need 20 minutes for this". Then proceeds to ask two random questions about platforms and process enforcement, then hangs up the call after I answer. Tells me he'd be calling in a week to discuss the position.

7) I get asked for references.

8) After passing the loop, have the recruiter discuss some details of the offer, have the hiring manager tell me they'd be calling me after a week, I get ghosted for about 3.5 weeks. References are contacted and feedback is confirmed positive.

9) I ping the recruiter to see when the offer is coming - it's not coming. They chose another candidate. I am fine with it, even after being offered verbally, but the ghosting part after wasting so much of my time seems almost intentional.

10) I call up a senior leader in the office I applied to, an acquaintance of mine. His answer: "don't come. It's a mess and a revolving door of people". I was shocked with the response.

11) I get called by the recruiter saying that another director saw my feedback and is very interested in talking to me and do an interview loop.

Guess I'm not joining, then.

I am ok with passing loops, being rejected, I've seen it all. But being ghosted after acceptance is a first. What a bizarre place this is.

1. mamidon ◴[] No.29388754[source]
I recently did a few interviews & was shocked at how often I would complete an entire loop (coffee chat, tech screen, full-day 'onsite') only to be completely ghosted. I'm totally fine with rejection, I don't think I've ever done better than 50/50 for an offer, but it's super unprofessional to just ghost someone who's given you 5+ hours.

It's not that hard to just send a "thanks but no thanks" email.

To name names: Flymachine.io, Boulevard, and Pepper.

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2. op00to ◴[] No.29388830[source]
Never heard of any of those names, so you dodged a few turds!
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3. wombat-man ◴[] No.29388991[source]
hate to say it but I've been trained to assume it's a no unless I get a yes within a week.
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4. Gortal278 ◴[] No.29389025[source]
Thanks for sharing the company names, I respect that!
5. mamidon ◴[] No.29389096[source]
You're not wrong, same assumption I make too.
6. auntienomen ◴[] No.29389162[source]
I have a theory that companies do this when they don't trust their own hiring process. They're waiting for you to ring them and say, "Hey, I've got an offer from X? Are you guys going to get off the pot?"
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7. gusgus01 ◴[] No.29389391[source]
There are hundreds of thousands of tech companies in the US. There are bound to be good companies many of us have never heard of. Name recognition seems like a poor filter function with numbers this large.
8. jp42 ◴[] No.29389393[source]
to name names - Microsoft, its been over a month and no response after onsite loop.
9. _qzu4 ◴[] No.29389429[source]
Even an automated email is better than no reply. Past companies that I interviewed that ghosts me, I would never apply again in the future. It’s just basic manners. Having too many candidates is not an excuse. Especially if you want to hire senior programmers because we always remember. HR is usually the first impression candidates have with the company and it’s a lasting one. This is also why HR and recruiters are viewed so poorly with many programmers.
10. jholman ◴[] No.29389718[source]
Naming names, AWS ghosted me after a full day of interviews. Actually that entire process was a charlie foxtrot. Not that I think I earned an offer in that interview, but they didn't earn an acceptance either.
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11. k8sToGo ◴[] No.29390282[source]
I once followed up and the manager invited me onsite just to explain me in person that I get rejected... I took a day off for that.
12. lnenad ◴[] No.29390494[source]
I had the same experience with Adidas in Europe. I went through 3 rounds of remote interviews, then went to Herzogenaurach for an onsite, two days, then nothing. I understand if they didn't like me or they liked someone more, but ghosting at that point makes you feel like shit.
13. danw1979 ◴[] No.29390642[source]
I’ve only ever had positive responses with 24 hours (usually a lot less) or nothing at all. The nothings are usually not a surprise.

I always ask potential employers to walk me through the process they need to follow to make a decision on me (visualisation = realisation ?) and also ask for quick feedback (but not with any BS about competing offers).

I think this shows them you take their offer seriously and have plenty of experience of the hiring process, so maybe you’re less likely to get messed about ?

14. notahacker ◴[] No.29390808[source]
More straightforward explanation is that the candidate is perfectly fine for the role so they don't want to send a rejection email, but then they have another candidate or idea for the role so they want to wait and see how that pans out first.

A month later, they've forgotten they've still got a candidate or two to say no to, or figure you're probably not waiting on tenterhooks for an answer.

15. mamidon ◴[] No.29409985[source]
Boulevard actually reached out to me & apologized, apparently the 2 people working with me both left the company. If there's a good reason for someone to fall through the cracks, I suppose that would definitely be it!

I can say that I've otherwise had a great experience with Boulevard.