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pc ◴[] No.28523805[source]
(Stripe cofounder.)

Ugh, apologies. Something very clearly went wrong here and we’re already investigating.

Zooming out, a few broader comments:

* Unlike most services, Stripe can easily lose very large amounts of money on individual accounts, and thousands of people try to do so every day. We are de facto running a big bug bounty/incentive program for evading our fraudulent user detection systems.

* Errors like these happen, which we hate, and we take every single false rejection that we discover seriously, knowing that there’s another founder at the other end of the line. We try to make it easy to get in touch with the humans at Stripe, me included, to maximize the number that we discover and the speed with which we get to remedy them.

* When these mistaken rejections happen, it’s usually because the business (inadvertently) clusters strongly with behavior that fraudulent users tend to engage in. Seeking to cloak spending and using virtual cards to mask activity is a common fraudulent pattern. Of course, there are very legitimate reasons to want to do this too (as this case demonstrates).

* We actually have an ongoing project to reduce the occurrence of these mistaken rejections by 90% by the end of this year. I think we’ll succeed at it. (They’re already down 50% since earlier this year.)

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anonymoushn ◴[] No.28524050[source]
What's your recommended way to get in touch with humans? Previously we had a manufacturing business + online store rejected because we mentioned that some of our customers may eventually be drop-shippers (i.e. an online store cannot prevent people from buying on behalf of other people) and there seemed to be no recourse other than "start a different business."
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1. quelltext ◴[] No.28528986[source]
What do you mean by drop-shippers and what do they do that's risky/bad?

Looking for drop shipping on Google leads me to pages e.g. by Shopify or Square explaining it's a model to run retail where the store doesn't hold stock or fulfill but instead has a distributor / manufacturer fullfil the transaction, shipping directly from them to the customer.

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2. anonymoushn ◴[] No.28529146[source]
Some companies don't want to do business with drop shippers, maybe because they will often be unable to fulfill orders or because customers will often be upset that their order took a few weeks to arrive. As a manufacturer, we anticipated that some people would resell our products on their own storefronts.