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Rapid DHCP: Or, how do Macs get on the network so fast?

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354 points timdoug | 1 comments | 12 Jul 11 17:04 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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saurik ◴[12 Jul 11 17:52 UTC] No.2755677[source]▶
> This network recognition technique allows the Mac to very rapidly discover if it is connected to a known network. If the network is recognized (and presumably if the Mac knows that the DHCP lease is still active), it immediately and presumptuously configures its IP interface with the address it knows is good for this network.

Ok, seriously? That isn't a bug in an implementation somewhere, but in fact a feature that Apple actually is proud of? Am I the only one who finds that if you get a room full of people sitting around with Macs at least one person gets their IP address stolen by someone else?

(edit: I just got downvoted, and then asked the people in the room with me, and they seemed to agree with my perceived correlation regarding the "another computer is using 192.1.0.1" issue... instead of just downvoting, maybe reply? It is actually quite common that DHCP leases on a network get reset for various reasons, and if you just jump on the network without revalidating your lease, you are actually quite likely to just "presumptuously" steal someone else's IP address.)

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jsz0 ◴[12 Jul 11 18:29 UTC] No.2755851[source]▶
If your DHCP server is handing out leased addresses to other clients you might have bigger problems to worry about. For example if you expect a lot of churn on the network you should be using much shorter leases times.
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windsurfer ◴[12 Jul 11 19:36 UTC] No.2756163[source]▶
How is this the DHCP server's fault? DHCP is designed to reassign unused leases to new clients if the subnet is all leased out.
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tomlogic ◴[12 Jul 11 19:56 UTC] No.2756250[source]▶
How can a lease be "unused" if it hasn't expired and the client that requested it never released it? Are you saying that the DHCP server pings (ICMP or ARP) each address and re-leases the ones that don't get a response?
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1. windsurfer ◴[12 Jul 11 20:09 UTC] No.2756310[source]▶
Well actually the result of "running out" of addresses is undefined and up to the individual hardware manufacturer, so theoretically they could do whatever they want. A high-traffic WAP might want to simply boot the oldest lease if they can't assign more than a certain number of addresses.

Keep in mind if aa client wants an IP, it is supposed to do DHCP discovery every time it connects to the network, even if it's lease isn't up. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Host_Configuration_Prot...