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vesinisa ◴[] No.27301780[source]
Klarna is no stranger to criminally lax attitude towards data privacy and security. In Finland, they implemented a checkout flow based only on your SSN (personal ID number). By simply entering someone else's SSN (which is not hard to guess/pry) you can reveal anyone's official home address.

Further, they enable a "pay later by invoice" checkout flow, again by just knowing someone's SSN. Scammers use this to order items from web stores to automated pick-up lockers with someone's else's SSN for payment info. The victim usually only becomes aware about this activity when they start getting debt collection notices for unpaid invoices from multiple stores for thousands and thousands of euros. The debt collection process in Finland is famously unfair and harsh towards the supposed "debtor" (here: victim of fraud).

Unless the "debtor" (victim) actively opposes each and every individual collection, the cases will eventually end up in court with summary judgement. This will ruin the victim's credit rating, which has devastating results for just about all aspects of life. People are known to have collapsed under the burden of all this and ended up taking their own life.

Klarna's response to all this is that they want convenient checkout experience and some fraud is unavoidable. Although there are excellent technical means available to strongly identify users in Finland, they add a minor layer of inconvenience compared to just typing in your SSN. This is OK for Klarna since they give exactly zero fucks about security as long as they can make a little buck from it.

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2rsf ◴[] No.27303311[source]
In Sweden you can ask them to require Mobilt BankID confirmation to every buy, their competitors (like qliro) don't have that yet so Klarna are only half bastards. But they did get a lot of criticism from the Swedish government about the same things you have presented.
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tapland ◴[] No.27310416[source]
Yeah. Klarna has BankID but it doesn't make them half bastards as they log in to users banks as the user, where they can see all account balances and purchases.

That makes them double bastard.

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2rsf ◴[] No.27312652{3}[source]
they do what? how is that even possible? even if I never coupled my account to them?
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1. tappio ◴[] No.27323918{4}[source]
It is called open banking. Banks are 'anti-competitive' so some people managed to lobby in a directive that forces banks to provide apis for companies like Klarna to access their bank accounts. All you have to do is accept tos.