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ThePhysicist ◴[] No.27301428[source]
Their German counterpart, Sofortüberweisung, didn't properly blacklist test credentials given out by banks e.g. to developers in the beginning, so people could simply use those and pay for goods and services with fake accounts.

For me there are so many red flags with all these services, as they basically "steal" your credentials to log into your online banking. And while they claim that they only use the credentials to make transfers they could as well look at all my other account data. I really wonder how such a scheme can be legal and how banks can allow this, as they normally tell people to never give their credentials to anyone. The situation of course recently improved with the mandated 2FA for logins and transfers, but still there are so many attack vectors in this model that it boggles my mind how it can still exist.

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tapland ◴[] No.27301488[source]
There have been some weird legal cases in Sweden where businesses and scammers have been freed after having signed in using other people's "BankID" to change retirement savings around or send cash.

Its the ID method I use for credits, pharmacies, health care, taxes, but was apparently not an ID so it's not id-hijacking.

Klarna has man in the middled my bank account before and performed a purchase and I've boycotting any company having them as the only payment option since.

OH, now I also remember Klarna adding credit in my name since they only needed my tax registered adress. I lived in a dorm so someone just used our public information to take out credits to order sneakers and could break into the crappy entry mailbox.

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1. ekvilibrist ◴[] No.27302164[source]
> There have been some weird legal cases in Sweden where businesses and scammers have been freed after having signed in using other people's "BankID" to change retirement savings around or send cash.

As far as I know most, if not all, of these scams have been perpetrated against the elderly. All operations (authentication, signing) can be initiated remotely with just a personal ID number, so the typical scam meant calling up someone and claiming that "an authentication must be performed", and simultanously initiating a bank login session. If you can keep the victim on the phone and using the BankID app when you tell them, you could basically login and empty their bank accounts. This has been largely fixed using QR codes to initiate login requests for major internet banks (which means you have to be in front of the same screen now) and other clever workarounds. But it has also always been a fact that there will be a description saying what you are signing, in the app, so being careful you could easily avoid being scammed.

I think its largely a great asset (BankID) but its never gonna be 100% tamper-proof without being seriously neutered.