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TikTok Remix Culture

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327 points demail | 5 comments | 15 May 21 00:06 UTC | HN request time: 1.111s | source
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mujina93 ◴[15 May 21 07:01 UTC] No.27163065[source]▶
Basically every comment here says positive things about tiktok. Is this a bot invasion on HN or is it really that good?

The few times I tried it it gave me loads of crappy content. No thank you, I'm not in for another doom scrolling addiction. The world has already enough addictive dopamine-f**ing time-sucker almost contentless social medias. I don't have the energies to fight against or maniacally curate my feed for yet another one.

I'd evaluate the usefulness of a social media or any other app by looking at a couple of metrics: 1) how much time do you spend there daily? 2) after you have used it, do you feel a better/improved person? I'd be curious to see numbers for these metrics. If anybody has links to papers/surveys that study how good or bad is a certain social media, please feel free to share.

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1. adjkant ◴[15 May 21 13:57 UTC] No.27165291[source]▶
Some notes as what I would say is near target user who generally enjoys the time I spend on Tiktok:

1. Tiktok the company is absolute crap, mainly for censorship of content and diverse creators (they even recently they A/B tested censoring private messages between mutuals). This is absolutely tied to China, though the political CCP part is a lot of unfounded griping probably. But to be clear, Tiktok the user culture and the company are very different.

2. Tiktok has essentially become the new Tumblr. The algorithmic approach means that once you give some signals, the content specifies a lot and it can be a great experience for people interested in more niche things. The "default" Tiktok is incredibly bad, but spaces for queer creators, the neurodivergent, political discussion, and niche interests such as urban planning, book clubs, fandoms, movies, tv shows, art, and more are thriving. That's something that many don't see unless they are in those groups because of the algorithm, so no "cursory" look at Tiktok will find that.

3. To answer your questions, I have had my doom scroll days but generally I keep to an hour or so now and generally feel pretty good after using it. Again it depends on what "side" of Tiktok you are on, but it avoids a lot of pitfalls. I haven't seen studies, but here's one data point for you. I'm 25 for reference on age.

If you don't feel the need or desire, you don't need to be on it. But I really think the best way to conceptualize it is a visual Tumblr with an automatic algorithm approach rather than a focus on manual curation.

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2. TchoBeer ◴[15 May 21 14:10 UTC] No.27165386[source]▶
Can't imagine having political discussions in 15 second increments. Twitter is bad enough already.
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3. 3nt3 ◴[15 May 21 15:39 UTC] No.27166176[source]▶
You can have up to 60 seconds and just upload multiple parts. Sure, this isn't the most nuanced approach but it kind of works.
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4. TchoBeer ◴[15 May 21 16:45 UTC] No.27166773{3}[source]▶
Can you? I haven't used the site in quite a while, have they changed things?
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5. rnotaro ◴[15 May 21 20:31 UTC] No.27168719{4}[source]▶
The even started to roll-out 3 minutes TikToks to some creators. But the fact that you can't go seek into the video make them quite annoying to watch. (Or when you accidentally scroll up and need to re-watch the whole thing..)