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TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks in Europe falter

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SCAQTony ◴[15 May 21 02:16 UTC] No.27161687[source]▶
The USA is also willing to defend Taiwan and currently the US has carrier groups in the south China sea. This suggests that the idea of building chips in the US may be a diplomatic courtesy and arguably an incentive.
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crocodiletears ◴[15 May 21 03:16 UTC] No.27161998[source]▶
I would argue that by the time China comes to take Taiwan (when, not if), the US will be in a position where it is unwilling/able to expend the lives and funds required to provide a prolonged defense of a piece of land firmly in China's front yard.

Personally, I think we're at the point where the US would consider the costs of Taiwan's defense well beyond any potential benefits. It's too economically integrated with China, and the sheer number of bodies it would take aren't worth the moral victory.

Hong Kong is the writing on the wall. China wishes to restore integrity to what it regards as its territory.

TSMC must open facilities in the west because its Taiwan facilities are too dangerous to leave in enemy hands. It has to invest in capital outside of any potential conflict zone if it plans to exists over the long-term as a profit-making entity.

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myrandomcomment ◴[15 May 21 03:35 UTC] No.27162099[source]▶
The USA must defend Taiwan even at the risk of nuclear war. The dollars position in the world allows the USA to run its current accounting. Allowing China to take Taiwan destroys the economy and the position of the USA in the world. That being said I feel that Taiwan is a vibrant democracy that is worth defending, and yes I did my time as a solider and understand the horrors of it.
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rapsey ◴[15 May 21 03:39 UTC] No.27162117[source]▶
The US defence of Taiwan is unfortunately just posturing. Should China commit to taking Taiwan they will do it. US military simulations have confirmed this again and again. Chinese military capability is strong enough to overwhelm the US Taiwan forces.
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myrandomcomment[dead post] ◴[15 May 21 03:58 UTC] No.27162219[source]▶
No it is not, which is the reason it will end up in nukes. There are a ton of well researched papers on this. Taiwan is well dug in and any invasion perpetration would be seen months in advance.

To be clear, if the USA defense of Taiwan leads to the extinction of the human race, so be it. We should have destroyed nazi germany in 1939. Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum. We are not worthy to survive if we do not defend democracy. I say this as a veteran and parent of kids that are just starting their life.

Edit: downvoted by the China accounts. Love it. Post facts. This is hacker news. We operate on data. I applaud today's Mars landing by China. I applaud all they have done as county to pull their people from poverty. The CPC has done amazing things to bring China forward, but it is has had its time. It is time trust in the people for leadership in the future. A democratic republic is what the world hopes for. China has so much to offer to the world.

bserge ◴[15 May 21 08:00 UTC] No.27163343[source]▶
What the hell... No, you don't destroy the human race because you don't like a form of government, that's just insane.

And the Allies did destroy Nazi Germany, what the hell are you talking about. Maybe you wanted to say should've moved on to destroy the Soviet Union?

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1. myrandomcomment ◴[15 May 21 13:20 UTC] No.27164952[source]▶
No I was clear. The US should have stopped Hitler at the start of 1939 but we waited until Pearl Harbor to get involved. It was a clear moral failing on our part. As to the USSR, the western powers were willing to risk the planet to stop them in the Cold War and I am not saying anything different here about China. If the USSR had invaded West Germany there would have been war. I am saying if China invades Taiwan it should be treated the same way. Are you saying that NATO should not have defended West Germany in the event of an invasion by the USSR because it risk the end of the human race? Tell me where do you draw the line? It was clear when it was Europe to most people yet some people seem to have an issue when the same logic is applied to non-Europeans of Taiwan.

Democracy is worth defending even at the risk to the human race. We as a race are not worth our own existence if we do not understand that.