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TikTok Remix Culture

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327 points demail | 20 comments | 15 May 21 00:06 UTC | HN request time: 1.336s | source | bottom
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buryat ◴[15 May 21 04:53 UTC] No.27162491[source]▶
I have never seen so many to say "average" people on tiktok like on any other social platform, in a sense that I can relate to those people and don't feel like a celebrity is trying to feed me some content down my throat. There's so much of normalization of everything that I'm blown away by how normal Tiktok is, you can see teenagers struggling in a school, you can see people hating their 9-5 jobs, you can see crafts and arts, you can see people with disabilities living life at its fullest, cooking videos, etc.

The whole vibe is so wholesome that it's truly the first social network that feels social in a wide sense.

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Graffur ◴[15 May 21 09:42 UTC] No.27163793[source]▶
Tiktok is full of girls dancing with very little or very tight clothes on for likes and attention. It's really seedy. There's subreddits dedicated to posting about these accounts.

On top of that it is designed to be addicting for the sake of addiction. It doesnt matter what the video is about once it will keep the user on the app. The algorithm will work out the perfect way for each person to be sucked in. We all know that these addicting videos won't be educational or even worthwhile. This type of stuff trends towards really useless content.

Of all the social media out there I would not let my kids use tiktok.

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1. angio ◴[15 May 21 10:07 UTC] No.27163900[source]▶
TikTok is very good at recommending new content based on what you engage with (watch, like, comment, etc), if your feed is full of girls dancing, it's because you spend time actually watching it instead of just moving to the next video. My feed is full of people (for some reason mostly eastern european or from central asia) working at their construction jobs.
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2. freshhawk ◴[15 May 21 10:13 UTC] No.27163923[source]▶
My Tiktok has a lot of videos of people complaining about exactly this and being responded to by pointing out they are telling on themselves in a hilarious way.

Gotta hand it to the algorithm, it is always funny to me.

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3. dash2 ◴[15 May 21 10:40 UTC] No.27164061[source]▶
I don't think this invalidates GP's point. Sure, if you don't want the seedy content, you won't see it, but it's still there and that's still a large part of how they make money.
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4. Graffur ◴[15 May 21 11:19 UTC] No.27164247[source]▶
I _knew_ this would be the reply. For your info, I don't have a TikTok account so try another argument.
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5. matsemann ◴[15 May 21 11:40 UTC] No.27164353[source]▶
It doesn't necessarily mean it's directly based on one's own engagement. I don't use tiktok, but on Instagram i mostly follow sports stuff related to what I enjoy (skiing, cycling, running). What content will instagram show me? The most viral content in those categories. What's the most viral content in those categories? A girl skiing in her bikini, a female cyclist with unzipped top, a runner in mini shorts stretching.

But maybe tiktok is better in this regard, heard much praise about their algorithm.

6. defaultname ◴[15 May 21 13:20 UTC] No.27164951[source]▶
If a site has user contributed content there will usually be the "seedy" content. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit...if it gets big enough, a certain segment will monetize it. Usually as an advertising vehicle for their more overt content on adult sites. It's actually an interesting complaint because TikTok takes a lot of heat for taking down a lot of benign content.

"that's still a large part of how they make money"

You base this claim upon what? Gut feeling?

The viral videos that everyone knows from TikTok contain approximately zero instances of "seedy" content. They are people doing everyday things. AFV style funny videos. Some guy drinking cranberry juice and riding a skateboard. Etc.

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7. Graffur ◴[15 May 21 13:36 UTC] No.27165085{3}[source]▶
> everyone knows

That everyone using tik tok knows. That doesn't invalidate any of the criticism. It just tells you like the content that appeals to everybody.

8. Graffur ◴[15 May 21 13:41 UTC] No.27165131[source]▶
> they are telling on themselves in a hilarious way.

It's no secret how the algorithm tailors itself to what you watch. The hilarious thing is people thinking they're getting a 'win' when someone complains about any content. The app presents things to you and tries to grab your interest in any way. A lot of teenagers will, naturally, linger on that content for longer and then it becomes a cycle. That doesn't mean that is what they are aiming to get out of the app.

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9. lotsofpulp ◴[15 May 21 14:26 UTC] No.27165513{3}[source]▶
I don’t have TikTok, but when I am sent a link to it, and watch the linked video in Safari with Wipr content blocker, after the linked video is finished, it immediately auto plays a video of a very young blonde girl/woman who claims she recently found pictures of her pre breast reduction pre meeting her husband and is going to show them to her husband or something. This happens after any linked video I am sent, all non sexual.

Only reason I remember is because I thought that was a pretty transparent attempt at the type of audience they were aiming to attract.

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10. efdee ◴[15 May 21 14:39 UTC] No.27165609[source]▶
So exactly how do you know what TikTok is full of, then?
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11. defaultname ◴[15 May 21 14:58 UTC] No.27165748{4}[source]▶
TikTok doesn't autoplay anything -- it repeats the video you watched. Do you mean you scrolled down?

Further, obviously the seed video that you used is going to have an enormous influence on subsequent videos (as presumably would the sender -- shared links can contain details about the sender, and if they had a logical algorithm that can play a part as well). And of course surely we all know that sites don't just track by being logged in. Even if you clear all cookies.

I just opened the TikTok homepage through a proxy in a clean instance of Firefox. First video was a woman who paints patterns on her face. Second was someone show a technique to clean stainless steel sinks. Third was a guy in Turkey showing his rugs. Then a dog bringing a leash back to its owner, someone using one of those pop-it distraction things, a guy with his cat in a box in front of a roller coaster video pretending the cat is on the roller coaster.

Eh. I don't see how your anecdote is such strong evidence of the "type of audience they were aiming to attract" (especially when the site seems to overwhelmingly cater to adult women...)

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12. lotsofpulp ◴[15 May 21 15:38 UTC] No.27166163{5}[source]▶
>TikTok doesn't autoplay anything -- it repeats the video you watched. Do you mean you scrolled down?

I click a link in WhatsApp, it opens up Safari in iOS on my phone, it plays the video, then at the end it starts playing another video.

I'm using a content blocker, so I presume TikTok does not know anything about my personal characteristics, so I assumed the videos that autoplay are the ones they autoplay by default.

PS I will forever harbor resentment to people around the world for putting up with video players that lack the ability to skip around the video or even see the length of the video.

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13. user-the-name ◴[15 May 21 16:00 UTC] No.27166361[source]▶
TikTok will still learn your preferences and adjust what content it shows you even if you don't register.
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14. gabaix ◴[15 May 21 18:12 UTC] No.27167530{3}[source]▶
I have the opposite impression. I only like niche content about tools and life hacks, but every time seedy content is pushed back into my feed.

It has gotten worse in the past year.

I am actually surprised people see positives about Tik Tok. IMO it has a much worse societal impact than competition.

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15. Graffur ◴[15 May 21 22:47 UTC] No.27169677{3}[source]▶
I have had multiple accounts. I have researched how others use the platform. I have observed the content migrating from one platform to another.

Are you arguing that tik tok is not full of girls in little clothing? Your argument is easily defeated.

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16. Graffur ◴[15 May 21 22:47 UTC] No.27169680{3}[source]▶
That is not relevant. I am not complaining about content shown to me personally.
17. defaultname ◴[15 May 21 22:49 UTC] No.27169688{6}[source]▶
Just tried that specific scenario and after the video it showed (silently and muted, in a 1/4 size window) a preview of the "next" video. Unlike imgur, or YouTube, or many other services it doesn't just silently continue. It never goes further.

If someone sent you a link, it will include an identifier of the sender. It usually will say at the top of the screen "[Sender account] is using TikTok! Join now". Logically this informs the suggestions of the app.

The lack of scrubbing is annoying (although apparently the Android version recently added the ability). The app is also inconsistent in that sometimes it shows a progress indicator at the bottom, sometimes it doesn't.

18. Graffur ◴[15 May 21 22:50 UTC] No.27169695{4}[source]▶
It will always happen because as the old saying goes: "sex sells". For some reason, there is a large population on HN that will argue against the fact that tik tok has this content.
19. user-the-name ◴[15 May 21 23:46 UTC] No.27169977{4}[source]▶
Why does this bother you so much.
20. freshhawk ◴[17 May 21 10:48 UTC] No.27182053{3}[source]▶
This isn't teenagers, it's adult men. It is situations where if they showed full understanding and said "I don't want it to show scantily clad teenagers to me as I have a lot of loud opinions about sex and sin but I can't stop looking at them so it keeps sending them" it would be just as funny.

It's not the complaint, it's the moralizing combined with the complaint about self selected content.

If they weren't moralizing then yeah, that's just a report of a bad experience with the algorithm. Those don't go viral.