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SCAQTony ◴[] No.27161687[source]
The USA is also willing to defend Taiwan and currently the US has carrier groups in the south China sea. This suggests that the idea of building chips in the US may be a diplomatic courtesy and arguably an incentive.
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crocodiletears ◴[] No.27161998[source]
I would argue that by the time China comes to take Taiwan (when, not if), the US will be in a position where it is unwilling/able to expend the lives and funds required to provide a prolonged defense of a piece of land firmly in China's front yard.

Personally, I think we're at the point where the US would consider the costs of Taiwan's defense well beyond any potential benefits. It's too economically integrated with China, and the sheer number of bodies it would take aren't worth the moral victory.

Hong Kong is the writing on the wall. China wishes to restore integrity to what it regards as its territory.

TSMC must open facilities in the west because its Taiwan facilities are too dangerous to leave in enemy hands. It has to invest in capital outside of any potential conflict zone if it plans to exists over the long-term as a profit-making entity.

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myrandomcomment ◴[] No.27162099[source]
The USA must defend Taiwan even at the risk of nuclear war. The dollars position in the world allows the USA to run its current accounting. Allowing China to take Taiwan destroys the economy and the position of the USA in the world. That being said I feel that Taiwan is a vibrant democracy that is worth defending, and yes I did my time as a solider and understand the horrors of it.
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rapsey ◴[] No.27162117[source]
The US defence of Taiwan is unfortunately just posturing. Should China commit to taking Taiwan they will do it. US military simulations have confirmed this again and again. Chinese military capability is strong enough to overwhelm the US Taiwan forces.
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myrandomcomment[dead post] ◴[] No.27162219[source]
No it is not, which is the reason it will end up in nukes. There are a ton of well researched papers on this. Taiwan is well dug in and any invasion perpetration would be seen months in advance.

To be clear, if the USA defense of Taiwan leads to the extinction of the human race, so be it. We should have destroyed nazi germany in 1939. Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum. We are not worthy to survive if we do not defend democracy. I say this as a veteran and parent of kids that are just starting their life.

Edit: downvoted by the China accounts. Love it. Post facts. This is hacker news. We operate on data. I applaud today's Mars landing by China. I applaud all they have done as county to pull their people from poverty. The CPC has done amazing things to bring China forward, but it is has had its time. It is time trust in the people for leadership in the future. A democratic republic is what the world hopes for. China has so much to offer to the world.

rapsey ◴[] No.27162247[source]
https://news.yahoo.com/were-going-to-lose-fast-us-air-force-...
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myrandomcomment ◴[] No.27162357{3}[source]
If you Google "Taiwan hard to invade" or the like you will get more educated reads on this. The necessary preparations on the Chinese part are well seen on satellites. China would 100% win at a bloody cost without a US involvement. With, they would loose. This is today, without China coming to be on level with the US military. Over time they will catch up. Today with US involvement China would loose. The facts on the ground prove this, otherwise why have they not done it yet?

"Carefully compare the opposing army with your own, so that you may know where strength is superabundant and where it is deficient." Sun Tzu

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1. ardit33 ◴[] No.27162482{4}[source]
no, they can't win.... it is 500 miles of distance, and you need total dominance to get your troops there, and maintain and supply an invasion fleet.

Hitler couldn't cross the 50 miles english channel back in 1940.... the operation 'sea lion' was doomed to fail. Even the Allies' normandy invasion, was hard and it took total sea and air dominance. China could surround Taiwan and blockade it, but it can't keep that blockaded is itself it would be blockaded by the US and totally sealed internationally. It will be starved economically.

Also, keep in mind, during the cold war, USSR had to give up the sealing/blocading of Berlin, as the US kept supplying it with food via air. The US could have given it away, as it was far from the West's border, but it didn't.

The US will do the same this time, as the public from both sides of the political spectrum, are very against CCP. The only people that string along with China, are some elite media companies like Disney, NBA and of course Apple.

The average Joe doesn't like that their job went to china, and they would be glad if the US put up a fight.