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lrvick ◴[] No.26715358[source]
Signal is still centrally controlled and compiled by a single entity and distributed only in an unsigned insecure form or in a signed/verified manner only if you give up your privacy to install with Google Play or the Apple store.

Those that only run open source software like myself have no secure way to run Signal short of compiling every release by hand which is impractical. Moxie has stated he will not support anyone but his team compiling or distributing Signal binaries so third party signed builds via privacy focused app stores like F-Droid are out. All builds must also use Signal centralized servers even though that centralizes TCP/IP metadata, etc.

Not to mention you need to show government ID to get a SIM to use the Signal wallet for said private currency/messenger in 200 countries.

Secondly having a decentralized currency whose servers can only run on Intel machines with Intel SGX is a very centralized supply chain as well.

A single supply chain attack on Intel microcode or related SGX updates could run malicious code and game over for the currency globally? A government that sees MobileCoin as a threat could make Intel do this.

With a SPOF on the supply chain of the only client people are expected to use and another SPOF on the only hardware enclave people are supposed to use for servers... decentralized is technically true but not used in the same way as most other projects that use that word.

I will keep an eye on this experiment though, because there are some unique ideas here which could have value should your trust anchors expand beyond Intel and Signal.

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hiq ◴[] No.26717225[source]
> distributed only in an unsigned insecure form or in a signed/verified manner only if you give up your privacy to install with Google Play or the Apple store.

> Those that only run open source software like myself have no secure way to run Signal short of compiling every release by hand which is impractical.

Nope: https://signal.org/android/apk/

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stonesweep ◴[] No.26717545[source]
You may be missing the subtle point - the APK provided is the same one from Google Play, which includes the Google SDK encumbered libraries (links? hooks? features?). If you run a libre device without the Google Play store (non-Google android build) then the software cannot function. The code for the client is open source, but the act of compiling it against the required Play store libraries encumbers the final binary. F-Droid requires that all code compile without the Google SDKs in order to be hosted (IIRC).
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1. Vinnl ◴[] No.26721676[source]
Others seem to interpret this as your saying that downloading the APK results in non-free code being present on your system, but

> If you run a libre device without the Google Play store (non-Google android build) then the software cannot function.

is just not true. I don't have the Google Play Store (I'm on a non-Google Android build) and Signal functions just fine.

(Well, mostly fine - it has to maintain its own connection because of course it can't use Google's tooling for that, so it supposedly has more battery impact.)