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jxidjhdhdhdhfhf ◴[] No.26613220[source]
This is kind of the end result we're heading for, where you can only talk candidly with people who are equal or lower than you on the oppression hierarchy. The shitty part is that I'm pretty sure 99% of people are reasonable human beings but the media has to make it seem like that isn't the case so the risk equation changes. Similar to how kids used to roam around the neighborhood but now it's deemed too risky because the media makes it seem like there are murderers lurking around every corner.
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semi-extrinsic ◴[] No.26614012[source]
I believe this phenomenon is more like overshoot in an underdamped system than being the end result. Rapid changes always lead to overshoot.

I also think the amount of overshoot is proportional to the amount of sexism that was present in a society thirty years ago. I believe Northern Europe has been trending slowly towards gender equality since the 90s, and thus the amount of overshoot here is much less from the recent rapid changes like #meetoo.

Also our kids roam around the neighbourhood freely. We're thinking of giving our 9-year-old a cellphone soon, for now she just has an analog watch and we agree on what time she has to be home by.

If you look at statistics, the rate of women murdered per capita, and the rate of women who experience sexualized violence per capita, are around 5x higher in the US than in Northern Europe. The murder rate here for children (excluding by their own parents) is below 1 per million children per year.

We're definitely not perfect, we have a long way to go still, but we are starting from a more equal place if you look at the status pre-2017.

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1. belorn ◴[] No.26615466[source]
30 years ago the feminist and equality movement was very different from today's view, and not all for the worse. A lot of focus was then to eliminate gender in the ways people were treated, with the more extreme parts of the movement wanting to eliminate gender roles all together. Gender segregation in Northern Europe held the best numbers 30-40 years ago, and has only gotten worse since with pretty large strides. Gender segregation today is more like the 1920 than the 1990's.

women murdered per capita has indeed gone down, but so have the general murder rate. Men are still murdered far more often than women, and reached the highest ratio ever measured in the last summery by the government agency BRÅ, with around 77% to 23%. I would be careful to attribute such numbers to gender equality, especially since the trend seems to continue upwards.

The statistics for assault and sexual assault has similar complexity. The combined risk of being assaulted or sexual assaulted has been historically similar for both women and men, with assault being more common for men and sexual assault for women. Between 2012 and 2018 there were a major increase in sexual assault, and especially rape after 2015. The reason for this can't really be discussed since it involve an other political hot topic.

It still might be a rapid change that is causing people to overshoot, but it is likely a much harder token to measure. Changes in political power.