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    submeta ◴[] No.25075156[source]
    Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago.

    Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289

    > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so, the entire operating system grinds to a halt.

    EDIT:

    As others pointed out, I put this to my `/etc/hosts` file and refreshed it like so:

        sudo emacs /etc/hosts # add `0.0.0.0 ocsp.apple.com` 
        sudo dscacheutil -flushcache; sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder # refresh hosts
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    areoform ◴[] No.25077923[source]
    So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952

    And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple is the sole decider of what we get to use on our computers.

    Of course Apple's Craig Federighi assures us that the people making such assertions are "tools" (https://youtu.be/Hg9F1Qjv3iU?t=3177 , timestamp 53:33) and they have no intention whatsoever of taking away our ability to do general compute on the machines we buy and own.

    Except...

    Apple can already decide what binaries you can execute. Should they choose to.

    Apple is now restricting what other OSes you can boot into. As they've chosen to.

    Apple can now make their machine reject a new, third-party repair part like a bad transplant. Should they choose to.

    It's clear where they're going. And I'm jumping ship. It's painful to do so, given how invested I am in the ecosystem, but we're already beyond the threshold that many of us would have left earlier in the decade.

    ---

    edit - It's also really hard as a designer + developer + would-be researcher in the making to find a good computer. Most non-Apple laptops don't have very good color accuracy. They also don't have good trackpads, and their keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird is that???)

    I'm trying to find a laptop with good build quality, long battery life, a good display that I can design on, a good trackpad so that I don't have to carry around a mouse, good speakers would be a plus, and light enough that I don't feel like I'm lifting weights while working on my laptop. And this package should ideally come with 512GB of SSD storage and, at least, 16GB to 32GB of RAM.

    Oh and it shouldn't be more expensive than a Mac as many of these laptops are!

    Any suggestions?

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    1. quantgenius ◴[] No.25082761[source]
    Get a Thinkpad. I replaced a 2015 MacBook Pro with a Thinkpad P1 Gen2 and love it. The trackpad isn’t as nice. The keyboard is better. Running WSL2 you have a great Unixy development environment in Windows. Or just install Linux. As thin and light as a MacBook Pro. Much better thermals, though still not awesome. Other, somewhat larger Thinkpads have better thermals. You can upgrade your RAM, add 2 SSDs and other peripherals like a 4G card etc if you like. Thinkpads come with fantastic service. Next business day on-site repair including for accidental damage and they mean it. Looks: It’s the design Apple copied for their very first laptops and is IMO better looking. They got it right the first time and haven’t changed it materially. Built like a tank. Not quite a tough book but they will take some abuse.
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    2. xxz223 ◴[] No.25083411[source]
    If I got a Thinkpad I'd switch to Linux. I absolutely can't stand the Windows UI.
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    3. skuthus ◴[] No.25083471[source]
    My thinkpad works very well with linux, I recommend Zorin or Arch
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    4. andrei_says_ ◴[] No.25083967{3}[source]
    How do you run photoshop?
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    5. Sunspark ◴[] No.25084030{3}[source]
    Arch is only a recommendation for people with a fair bit of experience. I have some experience, and I still needed to check some webpages to find out what I was missing when I tried installing Arch as the official manual doesn't spell out every step that is needed.

    For "easy" for people who don't have time or experience, I would instead recommend Pop!_OS https://pop.system76.com/ flash a liveusb stick and you can try it out on your hardware without needing to install it first.

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    6. Sunspark ◴[] No.25084066{4}[source]
    People working in Linux will use GIMP, but you can also use Photoshop in a virtual machine, or possibly even natively using WINE. Here is a link for someone who did just that: https://www.archviet.com/how-to-run-photoshop-on-linux-with-...
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    7. johnday ◴[] No.25084285{4}[source]
    If the only concern is the install process, I would recommend Manjaro. It has its own installer, but you still get the powerful pacman package manager and the Arch repositories which are the most cutting-edge around.
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    8. Shared404 ◴[] No.25084683{5}[source]
    I've had Manjaro bork itself a couple of times. I'd recommend against it.
    9. sgerenser ◴[] No.25084925[source]
    I have that exact laptop (work provided) and I’m not a fan. Trackpad is OK but not nearly as good as my Mac. 4K display sometimes looks amazing but the color accuracy is terrible and there’s a weird speckle texture that I assume comes from the touch overlay. I have a thunderbolt dock that supplies 85w of power but the machine refuses to charge from it and requires connecting the huge external power supply. But the worst part is I’ve gone through several incidents where some update occurred (never could narrow it down to one in particular) and I started getting multiple blue screens a day.

    Edit: forgot one more annoyance. The laptop seems to frequently power off completely overnight even though it should just be sleeping/hibernating.

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    10. bashinator ◴[] No.25085184{4}[source]
    Arch is neat, and their documentation and forums are amazingly great. However, I have zero desire to be my laptop's sysadmin. Pop! OS runs great on my Thinkpad.
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    12. gentleman11 ◴[] No.25086015[source]
    Lenovo was caught 3 times installing spyware on their machines. I don’t know why people forgive that
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    13. nextos ◴[] No.25086300{5}[source]
    If you have a simple setup and friendly hardware (e.g. all Intel), the sysadmin burden is super low.

    In this regard, only NixOS compares. Even macOS is much much worse, as you need to go through upgrades. I have used the same Arch install for 8 years.

    14. stuff4ben ◴[] No.25086306[source]
    Because any self-respecting developer will reformat and reinstall Windows or ideally Linux and problem solved, no spyware.
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    15. heavyset_go ◴[] No.25086341{4}[source]
    Photoshop works pretty well in Wine, and Windows runs quickly using KVM.

    Linux also has native support for hardware pass-through if your machine has an IOMMU, so you can give virtual machines direct access to graphics cards and get GPU acceleration in your VM, along with USB devices, etc. VirtIO is built into the kernel and can provide you with paravirtualized network and storage access, which can speed things up considerably.

    16. heavyset_go ◴[] No.25086411{4}[source]
    I've been using Ubuntu for over a decade because my days of fiddling with my computer to get things to work are over. In general, Ubuntu just works without much configuration on the user's end.

    I've noticed a trend where people who are new to Linux will jump on Arch because they believe it'll give them more power, or that they'll learn more by using it. Or people will install Kali because they think it is what hackers use, and completely miss the fact that Kali isn't meant to be installed at all.

    It's all Linux under the hood, and you get the same amount of power no matter which distro you use. And when you use a distro with sane defaults like Ubuntu, you're able to dig into the internals whenever it suits you, and not because an update broke your computer.

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    17. boogies ◴[] No.25086649{5}[source]
    Or Krita, some people have a strong preference for it.
    18. syshum ◴[] No.25087162[source]
    I am still suprised by the number of people that want trackpad's

    If lenovo would come out with a laptop with no trackpad I would be the first to order it, I normally disable the track pad completely..

    Traditional mouse or even a trackball are far far better

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    19. bastardoperator ◴[] No.25087709{3}[source]
    Not when they’re doing it at bios level, formatting is useless.
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    20. eloff ◴[] No.25087748{5}[source]
    The biggest problem with Linux is not enough people use it so you run into all kinds of edge cases with hardware and software. I just stick with Ubuntu because it's the most popular, so the most likely someone bumps their head on the problem before I do, and maybe I find their stack exchange question or bug report when I search.

    I've been very happy with Ubuntu 20.04. Not without issues, but overall it's been quite stable and snappy (pun intended) and I prefer it to macos and windows.

    21. KronisLV ◴[] No.25087803{4}[source]
    Yep, here's a nice summary of that situation that someone made on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/SuggestALaptop/comments/3gxoh9/psa_...
    22. sgerenser ◴[] No.25088645{3}[source]
    On my Macs I have always used both mouse and trackpad. When I use a PC like the thinkpad I usually ignore the trackpad.
    23. vetinari ◴[] No.25088727{4}[source]
    That BIOS level requires the operating system to execute certain ACPI table as a Windows executable.
    24. dragonwriter ◴[] No.25090448{3}[source]
    > I am still suprised by the number of people that want trackpad's

    I occasionally have need to use a laptop in conditions where a mouse is inconvenient, so i prefer to have a trackpad, but I find that even the best trackpad is far inferior to a mouse. (Trackball, at least the kind that gets integrated into a laptop, isn't an improvement, IMO over a trackpad.)

    25. zelly ◴[] No.25090548[source]
    Linux UI is far worse than Windows. It's not even close. I use Linux but definitely not for its UI.

    Windows can out-of-the-box do HiDPI, multiple monitors, multiple desktops, trackpad gestures, hardware accelerated UI rendering, facial recognition logins, and more. It was designed as a desktop OS.

    On Linux some things are getting better if you stick to the Wayland+GNOME stack, but it's still so bad I can't recommend it to people on technical grounds. Use it if you believe in free software, not because you think it's "better" (it's not).

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    26. prox ◴[] No.25090703{3}[source]
    I am seriously wondering why Linux UI development is lagging so much considering it’s at the forefront of many developments, and probably with the worlds best devs using Linux. I can only come up with that it’s console centered approach doesn’t attract a lot of UX designers of caliber to take it to a new level.
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    27. devdas ◴[] No.25095632{4}[source]
    Most of the money being thrown at Linux is to make it better on a server. The laptop/desktop market is dominated by Microsoft, with Apple a distant second.
    28. quantgenius ◴[] No.25146267[source]
    Never had a blue screen. Haven’t had the power off problem though there is a distinction between regular sleep and deep sleep. When coming out of deep sleep it boots up like normal and restores RAM from disk. Don’t have a touch screen but have the highest end, non-touch 4K screen Lenovo offered. They also offered a very good HD screen and a not so good 4K screen. Display is not as good as on a Mac but this is more a Windows problem than a hardware problem. If color calibration is an issue, you could have had them calibrate it for you for 25 bucks when you ordered it. I believe Lenovo support can send someone to calibrate later on too for a somewhat higher fee.