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pgt ◴[] No.25076714[source]
A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer.

Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going through the same process, albeit more slowly.

And even though I just bought an MBP16, Apple monitoring every binary I run makes me want to sell it immediately and never buy another iPhone, Watch or Macbook. No one is going to catch Apple on performance and form factor for a long time, but I'm willing to invest in a long-term ecosystem that won't allow things like this...as long as I don't need to debug audio drivers. I am done with that phase of my life.

So if I had to choose an alternate path, what would such a path look like that could eventually approach the build quality of an Apple Macbook Pro? That product doesn't have to exist yet, it just has to be on the path.

(I looked at Alienware's M2 and M3, but it cost about the same as an MBP16 but with more blue LEDs.)

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lavp ◴[] No.25081013[source]
> The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future.

I really don’t think the HN community is at all representative of what the masses think about. Just like in any online community, it is easy to think that the thoughts of that community somewhat resemble that of most people when that simply isn’t true. HN’s base consists highly of developers who are up to date with most things in the technology industry.

The rest of the world doesn’t really care enough to compromise the comfort and reliability of Google’s suite, which lets be honest, outperforms its competition by a size-able margin, and does so with a “free” price tag.

People on HN have talked about de-googling for years and I have yet to see someone outside of the computer development scene do it (or even talk about it for that manner).

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1. pgt ◴[] No.25081100[source]
I am starting to see people switch around me, but it doesn't happen overnight.

A surprisingly handful of non-tech people have asked me, "Hey, I see you use DuckDuckGo. Why not Google?" And then we have the conversation - it's a short conversation:

Well, you cannot prosper in an environment if you operate on inaccurate or censored information. Google & YouTube censor information and track everything you search for or watch. Today your views align, tomorrow they may not.

Secondly, you must insure yourself against tail risks, and having your Gmail account "cancelled" is a yuuuge tail risk. Therefore, avoid bundled Google products.

Then a few months will go buy, and I'll see they are now using Firefox and DDG.

When you have these conversations, it's important that it not be about your identity (open source! Linux!), but about risk-aversion.