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macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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2603 points mattsolle | 16 comments | 12 Nov 20 21:00 UTC | HN request time: 0.633s | source | bottom
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pgt ◴[12 Nov 20 23:25 UTC] No.25076714[source]▶
A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer.

Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going through the same process, albeit more slowly.

And even though I just bought an MBP16, Apple monitoring every binary I run makes me want to sell it immediately and never buy another iPhone, Watch or Macbook. No one is going to catch Apple on performance and form factor for a long time, but I'm willing to invest in a long-term ecosystem that won't allow things like this...as long as I don't need to debug audio drivers. I am done with that phase of my life.

So if I had to choose an alternate path, what would such a path look like that could eventually approach the build quality of an Apple Macbook Pro? That product doesn't have to exist yet, it just has to be on the path.

(I looked at Alienware's M2 and M3, but it cost about the same as an MBP16 but with more blue LEDs.)

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ls65536 ◴[13 Nov 20 02:40 UTC] No.25078194[source]▶
> The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future.

The other thing that really can't be discounted here is that a lot of the HN crowd are likely the default go-to people in their circle of family and friends for this sort of stuff, and in many cases they may also have major purchasing influence and technical decision making power in their respective businesses. Turning off one of them may be inconsequential on its own in the short term, but it could seriously add up to a lot more destroyed mindshare and significantly more "lost" sales over time.

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1. mav3rick ◴[13 Nov 20 07:21 UTC] No.25079853[source]▶
God the self importance of this community. The world can live without the 1000 people here.
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2. blub ◴[13 Nov 20 07:33 UTC] No.25079950[source]▶
Corps like Google or Apple are so big that the amount of HN customers and their friends/relatives are a drop in the ocean. This is just a PR mess for them, that's all.

They mop it up and move on.

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3. Closi ◴[13 Nov 20 07:39 UTC] No.25079982[source]▶
It’s true, but at the same time Apple are currently trying to win over the developer community. That much was clear over the M1 announcement where they focused on compile times and tensor flow as benchmarks.
4. soft_dev_person ◴[13 Nov 20 08:12 UTC] No.25080173[source]▶
"Yet what is any ocean but a multitude of drops?"
5. emsy ◴[13 Nov 20 10:01 UTC] No.25080793[source]▶
Yep "Voting with your wallet" doesn't work, bad practices need regulation and/or penalties.
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6. pgt ◴[13 Nov 20 10:38 UTC] No.25080976[source]▶
Who is more important than the customer? You and I - we are the market.
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7. pgt ◴[13 Nov 20 10:51 UTC] No.25081027[source]▶
You and I - we are the market. How do you know how many drops there are if you don't speak up?

Relative to my community in South Africa, I have spent more money on Apple products than anyone I know. And here I am saying that if these privacy issues are not resolved, I am willing to vote with my wallet as soon as I can find an alternative.

I only mention that I've de-Googled my life so that those who doubt my intent will know it's not an idle threat. These things take time to change, but they can and do change if you make your voice as a customer heard.

When you want to enact change at a Big Co:

1.) Communicate why you are forced into a buying position and ideally how to resolve it.

2.) Be willing to walk away, or you can't negotiate.

3.) Actively seek alternatives.

8. blub ◴[13 Nov 20 10:51 UTC] No.25081028[source]▶
You and them are the market if you happen to be the only two customers of a company or the only customers for specific goods. Hopefully you see now why your statement was ridiculous.
9. pgt ◴[13 Nov 20 10:53 UTC] No.25081040{3}[source]▶
I don't believe that is true. Regulation prevents competitors from toppling badly-behaved incumbents.

Big Co.'s must be allowed to fail. Don't hinder new contenders from rising to replace them.

10. mensetmanusman ◴[13 Nov 20 14:57 UTC] No.25082847[source]▶
The interesting thing about this community is that technically it could create its own OS. That is a threat to nation state level institutes that want to prevent that.
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11. jwif029jf209jf ◴[13 Nov 20 17:01 UTC] No.25084348[source]▶
> is that technically it could create its own OS

The vast majority of people here couldn't program a linked list given an hour and full access to the Internet.

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12. aw9f70gae ◴[13 Nov 20 19:24 UTC] No.25086308{3}[source]▶
I have memorized copy-paste hotkeys thank you very much
13. pgt ◴[13 Nov 20 21:20 UTC] No.25087638[source]▶
You know, that’s not a bad idea.
14. choward ◴[13 Nov 20 22:56 UTC] No.25088550[source]▶
There are more than 1,000 people and it's a sampling of a larger population. There are more developers and technical savvy people out there than just the ones who use HN.
15. areeh ◴[14 Nov 20 12:13 UTC] No.25091851[source]▶
I agree with the sentiment, but I also think designers and builders of all kinds ignore the most advanced users at their peril regardless of if they're HN, some game's best players, someone who uses a library in production instead of as hobby, etcetc.

The impact is just different and sometimes causes big issues if ignored

16. csb6 ◴[18 Nov 20 04:52 UTC] No.25133337[source]▶
Yes, nation states fear people working on OS projects. No one outside of the security state has ever tried to make one - and lived to tell the tale.