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    macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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    2603 points mattsolle | 23 comments | 12 Nov 20 21:00 UTC | HN request time: 1.303s | source | bottom
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    submeta ◴[12 Nov 20 21:15 UTC] No.25075156[source]▶
    Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago.

    Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289

    > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so, the entire operating system grinds to a halt.

    EDIT:

    As others pointed out, I put this to my `/etc/hosts` file and refreshed it like so:

        sudo emacs /etc/hosts # add `0.0.0.0 ocsp.apple.com` 
    sudo dscacheutil -flushcache; sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder # refresh hosts
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    areoform ◴[13 Nov 20 01:51 UTC] No.25077923[source]▶
    So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952

    And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple is the sole decider of what we get to use on our computers.

    Of course Apple's Craig Federighi assures us that the people making such assertions are "tools" (https://youtu.be/Hg9F1Qjv3iU?t=3177 , timestamp 53:33) and they have no intention whatsoever of taking away our ability to do general compute on the machines we buy and own.

    Except...

    Apple can already decide what binaries you can execute. Should they choose to.

    Apple is now restricting what other OSes you can boot into. As they've chosen to.

    Apple can now make their machine reject a new, third-party repair part like a bad transplant. Should they choose to.

    It's clear where they're going. And I'm jumping ship. It's painful to do so, given how invested I am in the ecosystem, but we're already beyond the threshold that many of us would have left earlier in the decade.

    ---

    edit - It's also really hard as a designer + developer + would-be researcher in the making to find a good computer. Most non-Apple laptops don't have very good color accuracy. They also don't have good trackpads, and their keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird is that???)

    I'm trying to find a laptop with good build quality, long battery life, a good display that I can design on, a good trackpad so that I don't have to carry around a mouse, good speakers would be a plus, and light enough that I don't feel like I'm lifting weights while working on my laptop. And this package should ideally come with 512GB of SSD storage and, at least, 16GB to 32GB of RAM.

    Oh and it shouldn't be more expensive than a Mac as many of these laptops are!

    Any suggestions?

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    nightowl_games ◴[13 Nov 20 02:26 UTC] No.25078131[source]▶
    Yeah so basically in the windows world, a lot of the good laptops are under the "business class" of the various manufacturers:

    Dell Precision, HP Elite Book, MSI Prestige

    In the consumer world the Dell XPS, Asus Zenbook, Asus Pro Art are the way to go for a designer.

    Dell Precision is probably the overall best laptop. MSI Prestige is targetted right at you though, with color accuracy and a good display. The only brand I can personally vouch for is Dell. I and my partner use XPS's, and a good friend of mine has a super nice Precision that I am jealous of (specifically the ports! I'm so over USB-C)

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    LeifCarrotson ◴[13 Nov 20 02:40 UTC] No.25078195[source]▶
    Lenovo Thinkpad is another popular line, seems conspicuously absent from your list. They're known to have good resale value, and to work well with Linux. If you're getting up to the Precision line, the Lenovo P series workstations are also worth considering, though given they're actually professional-grade machines with Xeon and Quadro parts they'll be more expensive than a Macbook Pro.

    There are also boutiques like System76, that white label, upgrade, and manage driver compatibility for Clevo laptops which may be worth considering, they just came out with a new Lemur Pro like yesterday.

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    1. orhmeh09 ◴[13 Nov 20 04:33 UTC] No.25078902[source]▶
    Lenovo might be known that way, but they are exceptionally bad at supporting Linux. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-admits-ThinkPad-CPU-thr...

    As far as I know this issue is still not fixed so I have to use this hack: https://github.com/erpalma/throttled

    I’ve also had tremendous Thunderbolt-related firmware issues that could only be fixed in Windows. If you use Linux, there are much better options than Lenovo. I still use my T480 daily but I miss my old XPS 13, which gave me no issues ever.

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    2. tobinfricke ◴[13 Nov 20 04:58 UTC] No.25079040[source]▶
    I run Linux (Debian) on my Lenovo X1 Carbon and it works perfectly.
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    3. snvzz ◴[13 Nov 20 04:58 UTC] No.25079042[source]▶
    >Lenovo might be known that way, but they are exceptionally bad at supporting Linux.

    Absolutely no trouble on x395. It's been running Linux (Arch) for a year, and it is my main system.

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    4. bayindirh ◴[13 Nov 20 06:30 UTC] No.25079576[source]▶
    Thinkpad was one of the first laptop series which supported Linux explicitly.

    Their competitor was Compaq NX series (HP EliteBook of today). Dell was late to the party and closed the gap by actively developing software for Linux (DKMS, Privacy Drivers, etc.).

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    5. nemosaltat ◴[13 Nov 20 07:01 UTC] No.25079757[source]▶
    Piling on to say I cut on teeth on Linux installing Breezy Badger on a Thinkpad T20. Since then I’ve never struggled with a Debian based OS on Thinkpads.
    6. mtzet ◴[13 Nov 20 07:13 UTC] No.25079822[source]▶
    Exceptionally bad is a bit harsh. Windows is first tier support with Linux coming in as a second. In my experience they are pretty good about fixing remaining issues in firmware updates, which can be installed using fwupd (I don't have a Windows partition at all). I belive there's even a GNOME Software front-end if you prefer things being very easy.

    I don't need to use throttled on my X1 Carbon 7th and they recently added mainline support for the fingerprint reader. All I had to do was enable it in GNOME Settings.

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    7. hoseja ◴[13 Nov 20 07:13 UTC] No.25079826[source]▶
    I don't think you can conflate classic Thinkpad and current "Thinkpad".
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    8. jbay808 ◴[13 Nov 20 07:59 UTC] No.25080096{3}[source]▶
    Why not?

    Lenovo's ThinkPad line is still quite differentiated from their other offerings. What are your objections to it?

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    9. eptcyka ◴[13 Nov 20 08:16 UTC] No.25080204[source]▶
    The firmware issues are fixed just fine with fwupdmgr. It also integrates nicely with Gnome.
    10. bayindirh ◴[13 Nov 20 09:20 UTC] No.25080577{3}[source]▶
    Are they doing anything to prevent Linux from running well on them? As far as I can tell, since all big three (XPS, EliteBook and Thinkpad) are considered enterprise devices and their BIOS, IO tables and hardware layouts are crafted with Linux compatibility in mind.

    They're explicitly sold with FreeDOS option to imply that you can directly install Linux on them.

    Even my run on off the mill desktop shows more soft-errors about IO layout and memory mapped devices on board.

    11. diffeomorphism ◴[13 Nov 20 09:33 UTC] No.25080645[source]▶
    You can even buy thinkpads with ubuntu out of the box now, so hard disagree.
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    12. robertbalent ◴[13 Nov 20 11:58 UTC] No.25081347[source]▶
    I have X1 Carbon 7th and need to use throttled to get full power.

    Try to run performance test with s-tui if you see a difference.

    On Arch the command to enable the fix is:

    sudo systemctl enable --now lenovo_fix.service

    13. bluedino ◴[13 Nov 20 13:22 UTC] No.25081858[source]▶
    Linux works perfectly on mine as well, but I use Fedora.

    The trackpad is bearable, and I have a 3rd generation so my 1080p screen isn't IPS, but it works well enough for $200.

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    14. vetinari ◴[13 Nov 20 23:25 UTC] No.25088769{3}[source]▶
    Not sure about Carbons, but for T-series there are aftermarket IPS displays that you could swap for the original TN ones. Could be done in 30 min, with no previous experience, just with the service manuals from Lenovo and enough dexterity to handle a screwdriver.
    15. mlang23 ◴[14 Nov 20 01:09 UTC] No.25089391[source]▶
    I love my X1 (also 7th). This is the laptop which made me retire my actual desktop. Bought a docking station and a MOTU 8A for sound connectivity, and have no need for a classical desktop since.

    I am not into gaming or graphics though. Still, with my (unusual) usage pattern I get almost 10 hours battery life time on the road, and all the CPU power I need locally. For heavy stuff, I compile remotely anyway.

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    16. isbjorn16 ◴[14 Nov 20 02:15 UTC] No.25089718{3}[source]▶
    I can't stand the (lack) of brightness on my X1 7th gen. Is that not a problem for you?

    I can't for the life of me get it to be bright enough to use in a lit room. A bit of hyperbole here, but I basically have to hide in a closet and stuff a towel under the door to see the fucking screen. I love the keyboard, but I basically won't use the thing now because it's such a drag to use.

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    17. dahfizz ◴[14 Nov 20 04:53 UTC] No.25090388[source]▶
    > Lenovo has now admitted to the problem – and announced that it will be fixed.

    How is that exceptionally bad support? I'd say that's the opposite.

    I get firmware updates on my X1C because Lenovo decides to work with fwupd and the open source community, something most manufacturers refuse to do.

    18. dahfizz ◴[14 Nov 20 04:56 UTC] No.25090397{4}[source]▶
    I don't think I've ever even set my 7th gen X1C to full brightness, it's perfectly usable. Is this a problem you tend to have with screens?
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    19. srazzaque ◴[14 Nov 20 07:43 UTC] No.25090865{4}[source]▶
    I had similar thoughts after purchasing my X13 AMD, not sure if you're experiencing the same thing I did. I was extremely disappointed with stock brightness when I first turned it on.

    Turned out windows power saving and battery settings actually capped my brightness. So my user-controlled "100%" (via keyboard) actually becomes more like 60%, depending on the power profile.

    As soon as I got a new m2 ssd, I shelved Windows and installed Fedora WS, which has no such issue. That is, if I say I want 100%, it obeys.

    You can quickly test with either a live USB, or tweaking your power profiles.

    20. mlang23 ◴[14 Nov 20 11:44 UTC] No.25091714{4}[source]▶
    I am blind (no joke), I couldn't care less about brightness :-) Well, actually, no, I execute a script after boot which basically does:

    for backlight in leds/tpacpi::kbd_backlight backlight/intel_backlight; do dir="/sys/class/${backlight}"; if [ -d "${dir}" ]; then echo 0 > "${dir}/brightness"; fi; done

    21. isbjorn16 ◴[14 Nov 20 14:21 UTC] No.25092435{5}[source]▶
    This is the only screen I've ever had to fight with to get something bright enough, and I'm nearing 40 so I've been through a metric buttload of computers and screens. It is hands down the worst screen I've ever had (and I still have a couple ~ 2006 20" acer lcds pressed into service in various comms closets and shop space in my house). The brightness on these is appalling and it doesn't help that Mint insists on resetting the brightness to 60% on every boot so I feel like I'm trying to walk through a house of horrors with only a single birthday candle for light.

    Edit: the joke is that the house of horrors is my code

    22. cylinder714 ◴[14 Nov 20 19:05 UTC] No.25094696[source]▶
    I don't know about Ubuntu, but Lenovo offers machines with Fedora already installed.
    23. Zak ◴[15 Nov 20 02:39 UTC] No.25097735{4}[source]▶
    When IBM didn't like the panels they could source for Thinkpads, they started a new company called International Display Technology to manufacture panels they did like. Thinkpads used to be special.

    While it's entirely possible there's a connection between decisions like that and IBM's PC division being unprofitable enough they sold it to Lenovo, it might be reasonable to hope that Lenovo would make the effort to offer competitive panels when it's obviously possible for their competitors to source them.