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macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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2603 points mattsolle | 11 comments | 12 Nov 20 21:00 UTC | HN request time: 0.837s | source | bottom
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submeta ◴[12 Nov 20 21:15 UTC] No.25075156[source]▶
Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago.

Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail:

https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289

> I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so, the entire operating system grinds to a halt.

EDIT:

As others pointed out, I put this to my `/etc/hosts` file and refreshed it like so:

    sudo emacs /etc/hosts # add `0.0.0.0 ocsp.apple.com` 
    sudo dscacheutil -flushcache; sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder # refresh hosts
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areoform ◴[13 Nov 20 01:51 UTC] No.25077923[source]▶
So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952

And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple is the sole decider of what we get to use on our computers.

Of course Apple's Craig Federighi assures us that the people making such assertions are "tools" (https://youtu.be/Hg9F1Qjv3iU?t=3177 , timestamp 53:33) and they have no intention whatsoever of taking away our ability to do general compute on the machines we buy and own.

Except...

Apple can already decide what binaries you can execute. Should they choose to.

Apple is now restricting what other OSes you can boot into. As they've chosen to.

Apple can now make their machine reject a new, third-party repair part like a bad transplant. Should they choose to.

It's clear where they're going. And I'm jumping ship. It's painful to do so, given how invested I am in the ecosystem, but we're already beyond the threshold that many of us would have left earlier in the decade.

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edit - It's also really hard as a designer + developer + would-be researcher in the making to find a good computer. Most non-Apple laptops don't have very good color accuracy. They also don't have good trackpads, and their keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird is that???)

I'm trying to find a laptop with good build quality, long battery life, a good display that I can design on, a good trackpad so that I don't have to carry around a mouse, good speakers would be a plus, and light enough that I don't feel like I'm lifting weights while working on my laptop. And this package should ideally come with 512GB of SSD storage and, at least, 16GB to 32GB of RAM.

Oh and it shouldn't be more expensive than a Mac as many of these laptops are!

Any suggestions?

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1. mastazi ◴[13 Nov 20 02:35 UTC] No.25078173[source]▶
> keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird is that???)

Those are laptops with numeric keypads, the trackpad is still centred relative to the "main area" of the keyboard (the home row and in particular the rest keys - the two keys with a little bump, F and J on a QWERTY) but it is off-centre relative to the body of the laptop due to the presence of the keypad.

Macs don't have numpads so if you've always used Macs it's understandable that you're not familiar with this type of layout.

In any case that type of placement makes no difference while you are using the laptop, because keys and touchpad are still where they are supposed to be relative to each other.

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2. areoform ◴[13 Nov 20 02:47 UTC] No.25078233[source]▶
I use my laptop on my lap, and usually when I sit with my hands folded in my lap, my hands fall along the center axis of my body. We are bilaterally symmetrical beings (with some internal asymmetries).

So unless I scoot the laptop off-axis or I have to move my hands off axis to type.

I'm unsure how this isn't unergonomic. It's not something to get used to. It's bad design. Period.

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3. WillPostForFood ◴[13 Nov 20 02:48 UTC] No.25078240[source]▶
A lot of laptops, Dell for example, offset the touch pad to the left even though there is no keypad. You might be right that these are technically centered on the q to p span of the keyboard.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/De...

https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/05RhNkV9HnULG0LW4YRfKzZ-...

https://www.tec-int.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/...

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4. mastazi ◴[13 Nov 20 03:07 UTC] No.25078359[source]▶
Good eye! I had never noticed those before. Yes I think those are centred to j and f. on the Macbook Pro I'm using right now, if you look carefully, the touchpad is centred relative to the body but it is slightly off centre relative to the home row.
5. Jedd ◴[13 Nov 20 04:37 UTC] No.25078923[source]▶
If you're using a laptop on your lap you've already given away any chance of ergonomic comfort.
6. mastazi ◴[13 Nov 20 05:30 UTC] No.25079226[source]▶
Yes this is true, I see your point, with a laptop on your lap, in order to balance its weight optimally, you need to centre it relative to its mass, not relative to the hands rest position (F and J keys) so then when you have to type you need to move your hands sideways and it's not very ergonomic.
7. pmontra ◴[13 Nov 20 09:51 UTC] No.25080732[source]▶
But you want to align the keyboard and the touchpad with the vertical axis of your body so you end up with 2/3 of the screen to your right. That's why I'm advocating no number pads on laptops.
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8. robotmay ◴[13 Nov 20 09:57 UTC] No.25080769[source]▶
Yes this has always annoyed me; having it centred under the keyboard makes no sense except in some weird universe where everybody uses only their thumbs to operate the trackpad. Trackpad alignment was one of the major causes of my RSI due to the horrible bend in the wrist it causes.

I haven't used a Mac in years but the one thing they always nailed was the trackpad. It's big and actually centred on the laptop body.

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9. lloeki ◴[13 Nov 20 12:21 UTC] No.25081443[source]▶
I’d rather align myself with the screen, otherwise I’m mostly constantly looking towards a slight right, which is a terrible twist for the spine.

It’s much easier and more comfortable to adjust my hands over a slightly offset keyboard.

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10. pmontra ◴[15 Nov 20 12:06 UTC] No.25100522{3}[source]▶
Is this what you're actually doing?

I gave it a try for one minute when I unpacked my new laptop in 2014 and I immediately shifted it to the right: typing as you suggest was terrible for wrists, shoulders and probably the spine.

My workaround: I move the windows I work more often (eg: the editor) to the left part of the screen.

To be fair: there is no way to fix an ergonomically broken design. There are only mitigations and those a probably subjective: everybody is a little different and muscles/skeletons/etc can accommodate different twists.

11. mastazi ◴[17 Nov 20 04:07 UTC] No.25120174{3}[source]▶
I think it depends on how much you type. If you type most of the time, your hands will tend to stay centred on the keyboard. Of course this is highly variable based on so many factors...