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elmo2you ◴[] No.25076037[source]
Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view.

Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just imagine what this could mean when traffic to this infra is disrupted intentionally (e.g. to any "unfavorable" country). That sounds like a really serious cyber attack vector to me. Equally dangerous if infra inside the USA gets compromised, if that is going to make Apple computers effectively inoperable. Not sure how Apple will shield itself from legal liability in such an event, if things are intentionally designed this way. I seriously doubt that a cleverly crafted TOS/EULA will do it, for the damage might easily go way beyond to just users in this case.

Again, maybe (and in fact: hopefully) I'm just getting this all wrong. If not, I might know a country or two where this could even warrant a full ban on the sale of Apple computers, if there is no local/national instance of this (apparently crucial) infrastructure operating in that country itself, merely on the argument of national security (and in this case a very valid one, for a change).

All in all, this appears to be a design fuck-up of monumental proportions. One that might very well deserve to have serious legal ramifications for Apple.

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jungletime ◴[] No.25076514[source]
This is almost as bad as relying China on Personal Protective Equipment and quickly running out during the pandemic earlier this year.

Imagine if the USA actually comes under an attack.The apple spaceship would be high on the list of targets. All of sudden hospitals can't run their computers or communications. Disaster!

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1. outworlder ◴[] No.25076583[source]
Please stop fear mongering.

If Apple servers actually go down, there's no issue.

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2. elmo2you ◴[] No.25076687[source]
Referring to the USA, this might indeed be leaning towards fear mongering .. on the other hand, for any other country .. the "opportunity" to systemically disrupt Apple computers in that country might now be considered a (diplomatic) soft power (of the USA), from this day forward.
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3. Yetanfou ◴[] No.25076740[source]
That is why a smart attacker would not make them go down, instead they'd degrade performance to such an extent that it'd cripple Apple-encumbered products.
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4. outworlder ◴[] No.25077784[source]
Still, this doesn't follow:

> All of sudden hospitals can't run their computers or communications.

If the scenario is an attack by the USA, there are so many better avenues.

If a country wants to defend from this (assuming they are heavily invested in Apple hardware), they just have to block at their firewalls. Done.

5. outworlder ◴[] No.25077796[source]
At which point Apple would turn the service off.