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    macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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    2603 points mattsolle | 13 comments | 12 Nov 20 21:00 UTC | HN request time: 1.205s | source | bottom
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    modeless ◴[12 Nov 20 21:30 UTC] No.25075336[source]▶
    You've got to be kidding me. When Apple's servers are down, all Macs worldwide start freezing randomly? My XCode is hanging during builds, is this why?

    This code signing enforcement stuff has gone way too far. Heads should roll for this.

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    1. augustl ◴[12 Nov 20 21:32 UTC] No.25075369[source]▶
    That's correct. AFAIK Catalina will check online for everything, even binaries you compile yourself.
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    2. Aperocky ◴[12 Nov 20 22:11 UTC] No.25075839[source]▶
    wait what, how?
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    3. szhu ◴[12 Nov 20 22:13 UTC] No.25075862[source]▶
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23281564
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    4. jrochkind1 ◴[12 Nov 20 23:05 UTC] No.25076479{3}[source]▶
    The behavior documented there is on FIRST run of a new executable.

    You can like that behavior or find it unacceptable, but the issue in OP is not that, it was applying to executables that had already been launched plenty of times on the machine.

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    5. robocat ◴[13 Nov 20 06:30 UTC] No.25079574[source]▶
    Microsoft Windows also uploads your private exe’s, and then runs them on Microsoft servers:

    https://medium.com/sensorfu/how-my-application-ran-away-and-...

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    6. p410n3 ◴[13 Nov 20 07:39 UTC] No.25079979[source]▶
    Holy Shit. That should be illegal. All it needs is one rogue employee to potentially steal trade secrets? And dont tell me MS employees never go rogue after the recent events...
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    7. iso1631 ◴[13 Nov 20 10:00 UTC] No.25080786{3}[source]▶
    Surely it's against copyright law
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    8. isakkeyten ◴[13 Nov 20 12:03 UTC] No.25081382{4}[source]▶
    A law is only dealing with the consequences, it's not prevention.
    9. nordsieck ◴[13 Nov 20 12:07 UTC] No.25081394{4}[source]▶
    > Surely it's against copyright law

    It almost certainly is, but

    1. You have to know it's happening before you can do anything about it

    2. If your "work" isn't registered with the copyright office, you're limited to actual damages, which are probably close to $0

    10. SolarUpNote ◴[13 Nov 20 14:41 UTC] No.25082625{4}[source]▶
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    11. phendrenad2 ◴[13 Nov 20 14:41 UTC] No.25082632[source]▶
    TL;DR: It's an option that can be disabled, unlike on Mac. Also doesn't lock up your PC if Apple's network is having a bad day.
    12. jrochkind1 ◴[13 Nov 20 14:48 UTC] No.25082729{5}[source]▶
    Right. The recent problem (in top-level OP, and that you were presumably experiencing) was not just first run, but the behavior explained at the GP link (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23281564 , HN thread for https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/catalina-executables.htm...) is just about first-run, so the behavior explained at the GP link is not sufficient explanation for the recent problem, it's not talking about the same thing.
    13. mensetmanusman ◴[13 Nov 20 15:07 UTC] No.25082989[source]▶
    Is this how we look for the next Stuxnet?