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    Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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    1080 points antipaul | 11 comments | 12 Nov 20 00:56 UTC | HN request time: 3.859s | source | bottom
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    ChrisMarshallNY ◴[12 Nov 20 02:23 UTC] No.25065711[source]▶
    I am really looking forward to where this goes.

    That said, I am definitely waiting for at least one generation to pass before I jump on the train.

    I’ve been through this before. It will be great, but Apple is a master at smoke & mirrors. Things will not go as smoothly as the sizzle reels make it seem.

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    1. Aperocky ◴[12 Nov 20 02:30 UTC] No.25065769[source]▶
    I'm hoping that at least the basics will be here (posix shell, vim, browser, etc), I won't need anything else for a long long time.
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    2. rvz ◴[12 Nov 20 03:46 UTC] No.25066189[source]▶
    Like the grandparent comment, I would avoid this M1 Macbook since the developer ecosystem is still unsupported by it. Take this for example: https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/4733

    Docker still doesn't run on Apple Silicon Macs, so the migration path is already disrupted here.

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    3. saagarjha ◴[12 Nov 20 04:12 UTC] No.25066352[source]▶
    All of those are there.
    4. saagarjha ◴[12 Nov 20 04:12 UTC] No.25066358[source]▶
    Docker and Boot Camp like the only things that don't work, for fairly obvious reasons.
    5. Aperocky ◴[12 Nov 20 05:11 UTC] No.25066683[source]▶
    Personally, I feel like docker is a intermediary product in terms of evolution between servers and cloud, and it's been massively over hyped.

    Many use cases, especially when it comes to microservices can almost always better served by something else

    6. robertoandred ◴[12 Nov 20 05:14 UTC] No.25066707[source]▶
    You say “still” as if Apple silicon Macs are more than a day old.
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    7. totalZero ◴[12 Nov 20 06:37 UTC] No.25067114{3}[source]▶
    Developers were able to start working on Apple Silicon software several months ago.

    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/06/apple-announces-mac-t...

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    8. rvz ◴[12 Nov 20 07:06 UTC] No.25067263{3}[source]▶
    We can include the A12Z developer transition kit, which is an 'Apple Silicon Mac' which was available since July.

    The problem here is that in WWDC, Apple showed Docker Desktop running on an Apple Silicon system (maybe suggesting that it is at least running) and here we are in November it is still not running or not known if Apple Silicon is supported.

    I don't see any patches in the Docker repositories on such support, thus maybe Apple has a private fork for Apple Silicon. In general it is not available to us and we don't know when it will be.

    9. EugeneOZ ◴[12 Nov 20 07:58 UTC] No.25067553[source]▶
    Not everyone needs to run Docker.
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    10. junga ◴[12 Nov 20 13:15 UTC] No.25069471{3}[source]▶
    Citation needed.
    11. imtringued ◴[12 Nov 20 13:37 UTC] No.25069673{4}[source]▶
    The DTK doesn't support virtualization. The final product might.