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parsimo2010 ◴[] No.25059497[source]
I accept that the performance of Apple's chips have increased rapidly in the last few years, but the benchmarks that they are using to compare to various x86 CPUs makes me suspicious that they are cherry-picking benchmarks and aren't telling the whole story (either in the Stratechery article or the Anandtech they got the figures from).

Why am I suspicious? THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT A 5W PART LIKE THE A14 IS FASTER THAN A 100W PART LIKE THE i9-10900k! I understand they are comparing single threaded speed. I'll accept that the A14 is more power efficient. I'll acknowledge that Intel has been struggling lately. But to imply that a low power mobile is straight up faster than a high power chip in any category makes me extremely suspicious that the benchmark isn't actually measuring speed (maybe it's normalizing by power draw), or that the ARM and x86 versions of the benchmark have different reference values (like a 1000 score for an ARM is not the same speed of calculation as a 1000 score on x86). It just can't be true that the tablet with a total price of $1k can hang with a $500 CPU that has practically unlimited size, weight and power compared to the tablet, and when the total price to make it comparable in features (motherboard, power supply, monitor, etc) makes the desktop system more expensive.

Regardless of whether it's an intentional trick or an oversight, I don't think that the benchmark showing the mobile chip is better than a desktop chip in RAW PERFORMANCE is true. And that means that a lot of the conclusions that they draw from the benchmark aren't true. There is no way that the A14 (nor the M1) is going to be faster in any raw performance category than a latest generation and top-spec desktop system.

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sooheon ◴[] No.25059897[source]
> THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT A 5W PART LIKE THE A14 IS FASTER THAN A 100W PART LIKE THE i9-10900k

"RIM thought iPhone was impossible in 2007": https://web.archive.org/web/20150517013510/http://www.macnn....

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gamblor956 ◴[] No.25061083[source]
They thought the iPhone was "impossible" in the sense that it couldn't offer everything it claimed to offer without having terrible battery life.

And they were absolutely correct: battery life on the original iPhone was abysmal. But it turns out that consumers didn't care.

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1. rconti ◴[] No.25064282[source]
I don't have the stats, but I know for a fact I've never owned an iPhone (back to the original) that needed to be charged midday. Not much more matters to the average user.

And I'm sure there are power users who killed their original iPhone by noon in 2007, and I'm sure there are power users who do the same today.

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2. nvrspyx ◴[] No.25065337[source]
This was in the time of dumbphones, which had battery life on the span of days, not hours. Compared to cell phones back then, it was relatively abysmal to need to charge your phone once a day. Even Blackberries didn't require daily charging back then IIRC.
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3. rconti ◴[] No.25066732[source]
For sure. I remember my Ericsson T39 was multi-days, and I think the extended battery (which made it thicker) took it to... 9 days? Maybe more? Insane. Of course, the screen was never on because there was nothing to do with it :)