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klelatti ◴[] No.25058716[source]
> it is possible that Apple’s chip team is so far ahead of the competition, not just in 2020, but particularly as it develops even more powerful versions of Apple Silicon, that the commoditization of software inherent in web apps will work to Apple’s favor, just as the its move to Intel commoditized hardware, highlighting Apple’s then-software advantage in the 00s.

I think Ben is missing something here: that the speed and specialist hardware (e.g. neural engine) on the new SoCs again give developers of native apps the ability to differentiate themselves (and the Mac) by offering apps that the competition (both web apps and PCs) can't. It's not just about running web apps more quickly.

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Hamcha ◴[] No.25058922[source]
Apple is also working against itself in that department. As far as I know a webapp does not need to be approved by Apple to go live.
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klelatti ◴[] No.25058961[source]
I think you're confusing the Mac with iOS. Native Mac apps don't have to be approved by Apple unless they are on the Mac App Store.
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reportingsjr ◴[] No.25059258[source]
It looks like Apple is pushing towards having a single app store, see the news about the new macs being able to run iOS apps. I can definitely see them eventually moving to only allowing apps from the iOS store installed on macs, the same as how ipads and iphone are now.
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varispeed ◴[] No.25059503[source]
I wonder if the next step after that will be Apple dictating what new apps are desirable in the app store and then a bit further Apple making apps themselves and only outsourcing the support or signing franchise deals. Once the hardware could only be repaired by Apple, they could move completely into a subscription model where you could subscribe to e.g. Office or Streamer package that would include a laptop for two years and a predefined set of applications.
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zepto ◴[] No.25060091[source]
Why would anyone subscribe to that?
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varispeed ◴[] No.25060537[source]
You will find that many people would pay for having their worry about choosing the right laptop and software completely removed. They also won't have to worry about repairs etc. as long as any damage would be accidental or from a manufacturing fault.
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zepto ◴[] No.25061632[source]
That’s already why people buy apple and AppleCare.

What you are describing is taking this even further in the direction of an information appliance.

I am unconvinced that there is any benefit that your model provides that Apple does not already.

You can already just buy a Mac with AppleCare and install MS office from the App Store.

People may want their choices to be simplified, but they are also going to need to be able to use whatever important new thing comes along. E.g. Zoom or Slack.

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1. varispeed ◴[] No.25063080[source]
If think more people would buy a subscription instead of forking out few grand at once. It will be like a finance instead you won't own the laptop. I also understand this is quite stupid, but I feel that this is the direction Apple is going to go to extract even more money from their target audience.
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2. zepto ◴[] No.25065328[source]
Leasing the hardware makes sense - basically like the iPhone upgrade program but extended to macs.

I know people who upgrade their Mac every time there is a speed bump and just sell the old one. They would presumably be candidates for this.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see this.

I just don’t see any reason Apple would tie the leased hardware to a limited software bundle.