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darksaints ◴[] No.25058726[source]
I really wish Apple sold its hardware independently from its software. They make amazing hardware, and their latest silicon releases practically make me want to buy their computers again.

Their software is shit though, and their walled garden, and insistence on using apple programming languages and IDEs for development, practically ensures that third party software will either not exist or be shit as well. There are only a handful of software shops that make decent software for apple, and they are all fully specialized on apple and therefore do not make software that plays nice with collaborators on other computers, nor used on a cloud server, etc. And if there actually exists better software from third parties that competes with apple software, you can forget about it ever being fully integrated. "Hey Siri, navigate to city hall using Google maps". Yeah right.

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amelius ◴[] No.25058759[source]
Yes, they should break up Apple in a software and hardware company.

Same for NVidia.

It's the only way to actually own our hardware.

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zepto ◴[] No.25059603[source]
This idea of actually ‘owning’ hardware is a total red-herring.

If you buy hardware, you own it in the sense that you can do what you want with it assuming you have the technical expertise.

It doesn’t matter what software comes installed or how locked down it is.

Whether it is iOS, or PostmarketOS, we are dependent on thousands of other people making design decisions that support you in meeting our particular needs.

The only question is who serves your needs better.

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amelius ◴[] No.25059729[source]
I have to agree that the divison based on hardware/software doesn't solve all problems. See for example Google who licenses Android to phone manufacturers (which still is far from optimal).

But I do think this division is an essential step.

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zepto ◴[] No.25060031[source]
If you think it’s essential, you are going to need to explain what you mean.
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amelius ◴[] No.25060052[source]
I mean, to actually own the hardware we buy, i.e. have hardware that works in our interest, not in the interest of some big company.
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1. zepto ◴[] No.25060254[source]
‘To actually own the hardware we buy’ doesn’t really mean anything without further explanation. We do actually own the hardware we buy even if we don’t know how to reprogram it.

My car has a digital speedometer that reads in kph only. I want it to read mph, but there is no software update available to do this, and nobody seems to know how to hack it. I still own the car.

Everything produced by a big company works in the interests of the big company. There are no exceptions to this, ever, unless the company is simply failing.

Any time we buy something, we do so because our interests are sufficiently aligned with the interests of those who made the product. The alignment is always partial.

If you don’t want hardware that works in the interest of a big company. The only way to achieve that is not to get it from a big company. The same is true for software.

I’m totally in support of this.