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3pt14159 ◴[] No.24838967[source]
This is one of those tough cases where software cuts both ways.

Some people are smart, informed developers that install a trusted tool to monitor their traffic and have legitimate reasons to want to inspect Apple traffic. They're dismayed.

Most people are the opposite and this move protects the most sensitive data from being easily scooped up or muddled in easily installed apps, or at least easily installed apps that don't use zero days.

Is the world better or worse due to this change? I'd say a touch better, but I don't like the fact that this change was needed in the first place. I trust Apple, but I don't like trusting trust.

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Wowfunhappy ◴[] No.24838993[source]
If I install Little Snitch, it's because I trust Little Snitch to be responsible for my computer's network traffic, over and above anyone else.

I recognize that this won't necessarily apply to all users or all apps, but there needs to be a way for the user to designate trust. Apple services and traffic should not get special treatment.

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coldtea ◴[] No.24839030[source]
They provide the OS. If you don't trust them, then you shouldn't trust anything running on top of it either...
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_jal ◴[] No.24843921[source]
That's the exactly the thing - they are, indeed, chasing me off. When this Mac dies, I'll be replacing it with something running Debian.

It is too bad - the Mac hit this sweet-spot where it was pretty much my perfect machine for several years - a kickass Unix workstation in a decently built laptop, with a decent GUI, with access to consumer apps, too. It was great while it lasted.

Thing is, this is a reasonable thing for Apple to do. Back when they weren't enormous, it made sense for them to at least make token gestures to the Unix-weenie/developer market - we threw a lot of money at them and made them hip when they were down and out. Now we're in rounding-error territory, and that we got what we wanted for a while was sort of a happy accident, anyway. Building developer dream-machines was never Apple's thing.

I bought my first Mac in 1991, and this one will last a while longer. Can't really complain too much about 30 years of decent-to-awesome tools.

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andreareina ◴[] No.24844889[source]
I disagree that it's reasonableness except in the short term. We're seeing a change in developers' opinions; my friends in video production were getting ready to ditch Apple due to their "professional" software and hardware products getting worse both in relative (hardware) and absolute (software) terms. Part of the Apple cachet is that these are professional tools; how long is their reputation going to hold up if those professionals leave the platform?

It's a touch of hubris to think that we are and will continue to be taste makers, certainly. Maybe Apple won't get burned by alienating this crowd. But it seems a risky strategy for dubious return.

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1. MagnumOpus ◴[] No.24846130[source]
Both the tech-bro and the media production audience are now a rounding error of a rounding error for Apple. It is a consumer luxury brand first and foremost, and it derives 99% of net income from that. Catering to dorks in basements is a tiny legacy business and the support level for it is commensurate. (It probably actually only exists because Apple has its own share of dorks in basements.)
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2. AnthonyMouse ◴[] No.24849094[source]
That's assuming nobody cares about the opinions of tech people when they're buying tech.

It's not just that tech people are customers, it's that ten other customers will look at what the tech people are carrying and assume they're the ones to know what's good.

And developers write code for the platform they actually use first. And spend time fixing the problems with that platform that are keeping other people from using it. Then more non-developers switch to it because it's improving.