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Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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1183 points robenkleene | 1 comments | 20 Oct 20 15:51 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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3pt14159 ◴[20 Oct 20 16:03 UTC] No.24838967[source]▶
This is one of those tough cases where software cuts both ways.

Some people are smart, informed developers that install a trusted tool to monitor their traffic and have legitimate reasons to want to inspect Apple traffic. They're dismayed.

Most people are the opposite and this move protects the most sensitive data from being easily scooped up or muddled in easily installed apps, or at least easily installed apps that don't use zero days.

Is the world better or worse due to this change? I'd say a touch better, but I don't like the fact that this change was needed in the first place. I trust Apple, but I don't like trusting trust.

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1. 1vuio0pswjnm7 ◴[20 Oct 20 22:53 UTC] No.24843115[source]▶
Why doesn't each individual user have the final say over whether she wants to accept the change or not? There is no option presented to the user:

   [ ] Do not trust Apple, trust only me
You say "Some people are smart, informed developers" but in this case, it appears Apple is treating every user as the same.

I am not a "developer" (nor am I particularly "smart") and yet I monitor traffic to/from computers I own. Maybe some incorrect assumptions are being made about so-called "users". I find it perplexing that any company should be able to prevent me from monitoring traffic to/from computers I own. I own the computers, I pay for the bandwidth. I do not buy Apple computers for the Apple software.