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eptcyka ◴[] No.24839101[source]
Apple seems to do all kinds of weird networking _stuff_. For instance, during wakeup, your T2 equipped Macbook will wait for a DNS response and then use said DNS response to synchronize time via NTP before letting the user use the keyboard. Probably checking timestamps on signatures for the keyboard firmware, or something stupid like that. This only happens if it happens to have a default route.

Similarly, all macOS machines will test a DHCP supplied default route before applying it by trying to reach something on the internet. So if you happen to have some firewall rules that block internet access, no default route will be applied until the internet check times out.

I won't share the other sentiments about the above, but is it really that hard to document these behaviors?

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dylan604 ◴[] No.24839503[source]
Apple touted the T2 chip as the bee's knees in security. Now, we have a vulnerability that cannot be defended against. However, Apple went all in on the security of this T2 chip so that you cannot replace the SSD (besides the method to manufacture). I appreciate the desire at making a device difficult for a bad actor to get to your data, but they epicly failed and ultimately only made an user-hostile device. Oh, and the laptops with these chips also had the world's worst keyboard. Absolute trash.
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1. rorykoehler ◴[] No.24839773[source]
Additionally charging on the left side ports makes the T2 chip overheat and crashes the machine on occasion.
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2. simonklitj ◴[] No.24840309[source]
What if you have a model with ports only on the left-hand side? Does it crash it as well?
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3. imwillofficial ◴[] No.24840629[source]
Mine doesn’t.
4. rootsudo ◴[] No.24840819[source]
REALLY?

Okay, I'm going to test this.

I noticed odd hangings and cpu hitting high temps on a MBP 2018' w/ dell usb C dock on left side, meanwhile right side is fine but I had to reboot randomly and sometimes it will just crash.

And this is a MBP on a laptop stand.

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5. rorykoehler ◴[] No.24840898[source]
I'm not sure. I have a 2019 mbp 16 with a dodgy logic board and while it crashes even without charging on the left it definitely crashes more often when charging on the left. I'm stuck in limbo because I need my machine for work. Will take it in when I have a break.

Some threads https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250905859

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2019-16-inch-macbook-pr...

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6. dylan604 ◴[] No.24841031{3}[source]
Are the Apple Stores in your area even open to take the laptop in? I have delayed my attempt to get my keyboard looked at because of Covid.
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7. dylan604 ◴[] No.24841129[source]
I never had mine crash, but if I charge on the left hand side, the temp of the laptop increases to the point of needing the fan. Charging on the right hand side does not cause this problem. I had never paid attention to what side I was charging on until earlier this year when someone posted about it. After trying the right hand ports, I could see a difference.
8. fennecfoxen ◴[] No.24841144[source]
Docks on the left side, or similar devices which provide both power and send data, seem to be particularly problematic. On advice of my employer's IT department I went from "spinning up new VMs in VirtualBox reliably leads to thermal excess, CPU throttling, and total system shutdown" to a system that actually works -- just by moving the dock connection to the right side.

It's a little funny because the advice used to be you should use the left-side USB-C ports first because they were faster (both for data and charge, IIRC?)

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9. rorykoehler ◴[] No.24841181{4}[source]
In Berlin everything is pretty much open (loosely enforced indoor mask and social distancing mandates). They’re not trying to eliminate the virus here like they do in Singapore or Australia. They track 3 values and depending on the scores they escalate or ease restrictions.
10. simonklitj ◴[] No.24841328{4}[source]
Have found success with pressing hard on stuck keys to unstick them.
11. sdoering ◴[] No.24841458{3}[source]
What? I have to test this. I have my 4k monitor also providing power. Being a lefty I always plug it into the left side. Need to test this. Thanks for the information.
12. dylan604 ◴[] No.24841512{3}[source]
On one of the older MacBookPros, the left hand USB port was USB3 while the one on the right hand side was USB2
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13. mlindner ◴[] No.24841851[source]
Yes it was with specific models, but it's got nothing to do with the T2 chip. https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/363337/how-to-find...
14. ohmaigad ◴[] No.24842647{3}[source]
I also have 2019 MBP16 and i am using a dock/charging on the left side - i think the system froze once in a year so i don't seem to have this issue.
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15. jiveturkey ◴[] No.24843845{4}[source]
T3 vs USB3, not USB3 vs USB2.
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16. rorykoehler ◴[] No.24846251{4}[source]
Did you buy the stock spec or custom?
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17. dylan604 ◴[] No.24850603{5}[source]
I said OLDER MBPs. This was before TB3 was even a thing
18. ohmaigad ◴[] No.24889503{5}[source]
Stock with i9, 16GB RAM, Radeon 5500m, 1TB SSD