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Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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AlexandrB ◴[20 Oct 20 16:27 UTC] No.24839296[source]▶
Both major consumer OS vendors seem hell-bent on bringing the OS layer under their complete control. As a power user, it's very frustrating. Meanwhile "desktop" Linux still kind of sucks, just like it did 10 years ago. I don't have much hope of seeing a compelling, unified UX out of Linux in my lifetime.
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1. dylan604 ◴[20 Oct 20 16:53 UTC] No.24839643[source]▶
What is it about Adobe software that makes it only work on Windows or macOS? Both of their graphics engines are totally different, so what makes it so difficult for Linux compatibility? It's the only software package that keeps me beholden to Apple (I'll never run Windows of my own decision).
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2. jasonv ◴[20 Oct 20 17:24 UTC] No.24840042[source]▶
I have an aging MacBook Air (works great for 99% of the things I want to do), an aging iPad Pro, and an iPhone XR.

I probably am in the market to replace them in that order. I just bought my son a Lenovo laptop because he needed Windows.

I'm dismayed at where Apple is going, so I'm considering a Dell Linux laptop as my daily driver.

I need to do some video editing, so for a while I'll use my son's laptop, and possibly get a Mac Mini if I really need to keep up with video editing.

My thinking is I'll buy the minimum I need to keep up with my video editing but make more aligned choices for my daily drivers.

Sitting on those thoughts more has left me entirely cold to the iPhone 12 announcements last week.

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3. jaywalk ◴[20 Oct 20 18:18 UTC] No.24840657[source]▶
Adobe doesn't care to support Linux. It's as simple as that.
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4. dylan604 ◴[20 Oct 20 18:28 UTC] No.24840754[source]▶
That's an obvious drive by answer, but I'm asking a forum of developers for an explanation/guess on what it is about Linux that would make Adobe not care about it.
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5. LeoNatan25 ◴[20 Oct 20 19:18 UTC] No.24841305{3}[source]▶
The small user-base. It's a feedback loop; people don't use Linux because a lot of software isn't there, and developers don't port the software to Linux because people don't use Linux.
6. mcyukon ◴[20 Oct 20 20:29 UTC] No.24842045[source]▶
I'm in the same boat, just more from a Photography standpoint. Oldest Mac I own is a 2012 MBP and I really do not see any appeal in any of the newer machines. I built myself fairly high end Mini ITX Windows machine for a fraction of what a comparable Mac would cost. Only downside is having a somewhat bigger PC on my desk.

For video editing I was very surprised at how quickly I picked up / understood the Free version of Davinci Resolve after looking for a Final Cut replacement for my gaming PC.

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7. themacguffinman ◴[20 Oct 20 20:37 UTC] No.24842112{3}[source]▶
The reasons that game developers give should be instructive:

- "Linux" is not a unified desktop environment, there are many different configurations and supporting such variety is difficult. The Linux desktop landscape also changes more frequently than most (eg. Pipewire & Pulseaudio, Xorg & Wayland, Snap & Flatpak & AppImage & native distro package managers) which requires more development resources to keep up with.

- But suppose you try to cut costs by supporting only one blessed Linux configuration and constrain your Linux development budget. You still have another cost that you can't avoid: customer support, which is very expensive. It's especially expensive when you get a lot of Linux users who don't know or care that you technically only support one blessed Linux configuration, they'll have some wacko configuration and they'll take the time to complain to your customer support agents about it. Your constrained Linux development budget will only exacerbate your customer support costs as more users run into Linux bugs more often.

- Which isn't worth it because you know that Linux has a small user base. The actual sales bump you get from Linux support isn't worth the cost of maintaining it.

Frankly, I don't think Linux will ever solve the problem of a small user base. No one working on Linux cares enough about the normal-person-UX of its desktop to make it good enough for a majority of people to use, and many current Linux users even oppose measures that would trade off the power & flexibility that they enjoy now for normal-person-UX. This isn't going to change because Linux is largely a volunteer-led project.

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9. dylan604 ◴[20 Oct 20 23:43 UTC] No.24843445{3}[source]▶
The one thing the newer machines have are better discrete GPUs. Everything now will use the GPU from web browsing to full on video/photo editing and color correction. Your 2012 GPU might as well be hanging out with Moses its so old in GPU years. The speed difference you'll see in a photo edit standpoint will justify your upgrade. If you are even halfway serious about using Resolve, you cannot put enough GPU power in a box. (I've built Resolve desktop systems with 3 GPUs in a Mac PCIe external chasis. PCs/Linux Resolve systems can have even more GPUs.)
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10. mcyukon ◴[21 Oct 20 03:23 UTC] No.24844479{4}[source]▶
That's why the 2012 MBP is under my desk 99% of the time collecting dust. I use it mostly for command line applications through homebrew these days. Haven't quite figured out a good way/something comparable for windows. Would love to get another Mac, but what I would need is quite pricey. Would love to see a Mac Pro 1/2. And its hard to justify 2 expensive machines when I have what was at the time of building was a pretty high end PC with an Intel i7 3.70 GHz CPU, GTX 2080 GPU, 16 GB Ram, and 2 SSD's. Interestingly enough Lightroom Classic is still slower than molasses on it, apparently because there is so much legacy code in it. I've recently switched to Capture One which is super fast, but now I have to relearn a bit as it functions very differently than LR.
11. jasonv ◴[21 Oct 20 04:17 UTC] No.24844692{4}[source]▶
Can you expand on, or link to, multiple GPUs for photo and video editing?
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12. dylan604 ◴[21 Oct 20 15:37 UTC] No.24848864{5}[source]▶
https://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/ConfigGuides/DaVinciR...

There's an entire guide provided by BMD that tells you exactly what products are compatible with your OS and particular computer. It even comes as included documentation with the installer. You know, those PDFs in the folder with the install app that nobody looks at? After Apple's nixing Nvidia from their platform, you're limited to AMD GPUs for Mac. For PC, have more options. For Linux, you can go absolutely nuts with the amount of GPU since you can utilize some of the GPU appliances rather than PCIe boards.

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13. jasonv ◴[21 Oct 20 19:15 UTC] No.24851047{6}[source]▶
Thanks!