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mapgrep ◴[] No.24149792[source]
You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate.

But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business to function to some extent?

Personally, I would argue that consumers should have a legal right to install whatever software they wish on a product they have purchased, including onto the bundled operating system. I don't think it should be permissible for a company like Apple (or Microsoft or whoever) to sell me a gadget and then use various sorts of locks to try to keep me from putting whatever apps or app stores or services I like on it.

Does anyone have any argument for why this right would be a bad thing? People would get bad software on their phones, but last I checked, this is happening already, including on iOS. Apple would lose some margin, but last I checked, their investment in creating and maintaining iOS has been handsomely rewarded and would surely continue to be.

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dustinmoris ◴[] No.24154710[source]
> Personally, I would argue that consumers should have a legal right to install whatever software they wish on a product they have purchased, including onto the bundled operating system

I fundamentally disagree and this is also a misrepresentation of the current situation.

If I buy an open operating system which advertises that I can run on it what pleases me then I should have the right to carry out this freedom of choice.

However, if a company advertises a product as a walled garden, specifically claims that one of the things it does is to vet and prohibit apps which violate their guidelines (which are also open for me to assess myself) and I buy a product for its benefits doing this, then I have a right as a consumer that the company will stick to this and not be forced to change in order to please some dodgy companies or gaming apps which I honestly couldn't care less.

It's like saying I bought a petrol car but I should have a legal right to fill it up with Diesel or make it work with electricity. It's illogical. The packaging said petrol and so I knownlingly bought petrol. The packaging says secure, long battery life, high quality phone because of walled garden, so I fucking expect Apple to deliver the walled garden promise so I don't have to do the vetting myself. When I buy an iPhone for my kids or parents, then I pay more for it because of Apple's walled garden, because it means I have to spend less time doing dumb things for them which I'd have to do on another operating system.

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lub ◴[] No.24154843[source]
> It's like saying I bought a petrol car but I should have a legal right to fill it up with Diesel or make it work with electricity. It's illogical. The packaging said petrol and so I knownlingly bought petrol.

Though it's not really uncommon to modify a car for autogas or electric. Often it's also possible to change the radio receiver to e.g. one with android car.

I kinda expect the same freedom to modify other products including smartphones.

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jhasse ◴[] No.24154930[source]
You're free to jailbreak your iPhone.
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dx034 ◴[] No.24155328[source]
Jailbreaking uses vulnerabilities, there is no way to jailbreak a phone officially. Whereas Android allows sideloading apps officially.
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1. ghosty141 ◴[] No.24155457[source]
There is also no official way to convert your car to diesel/electric...
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2. wizzwizz4 ◴[] No.24155773[source]
The car doesn't have cryptographic locks on its bonnet.
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3. pegasus ◴[] No.24155812[source]
But neither does the car manufacturer actively try to prevent you from doing so.
4. bencollier49 ◴[] No.24155916[source]
Unless it's a Tesla.
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5. colonwqbang ◴[] No.24155951[source]
Of course there is. At least in my country, there is a formal legal procedure to get your car inspected and re-registered after any changes are made.
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6. donkeyd ◴[] No.24156782[source]
It voids warranty though, doesn't it?
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8. wizzwizz4 ◴[] No.24162582{3}[source]
But there's a procedure enabling you to do it. On iOS, there are procedures preventing you from doing it.
9. wkearney99 ◴[] No.24198290{3}[source]
At least with a Tesla there's a healthy aftermarket using the motors and batteries for vehicle retrofits.