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throwaway140820 ◴[] No.24153297[source]
Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues.

Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lordship and now that we have an opportunity to make some noise, this is the response? Fuck that. Maybe we deserve these lords.

Fuck your security and fuck your walled gardens. Fucking no alternative browser allowed. Fuck that, fuck you apple and fuck you google. Fuck your monopoly and chokehold on the devs.

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1. msh ◴[] No.24153395[source]
Why does epic single out two platforms and not also sue Microsoft (Xbox), Sony and Nintendo. Seems like double standards to me.
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2. the_hoser ◴[] No.24153409[source]
Much harder to win against them. Depending on how this goes, they're probably next.
3. throwaway140820 ◴[] No.24153416[source]
Can we please have a precedent set, once that starts I am confident other walled gardens will come down too. Also gaming consoles are not an essential part of life, at least not in my country where people usually can't afford to indulge in those luxuries.
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4. etchalon ◴[] No.24153464[source]
Android sort of proves that walled gardens won't come down.

And Epic's lawsuit(s!) aren't about brining those gardens down.

They're about Epic, and other developers, getting absolute control over their place in that garden.

They don't care that the walled garden exists.

They're just angry about the cost of the manure.

5. gpm ◴[] No.24153491[source]
Because those are the platforms they have standing on I assume. Did Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo perform similar anti-competitive actions against Epic Games? They can't sue just because they have an illegal policy, they also need to have been "personally" (as a company) affected by it.

They also have limited amounts of money, and lawsuits are expensive. Better to get precedent established first before suing everyone else (I'm actually surprised that they picked two fights because of this).

6. garmaine ◴[] No.24153685[source]
Because Epic has so much sway in the video game console arena that the console makers (except perhaps Nintendo which relies more on 1st party content) would never dare take anticompetitive action against Epic, or at least do while granting Epic-specific concessions which make it hard for them to have standing for a anti-monopoly lawsuit.

Epic wants an antitrust decision from the courts and/or regulators, and that requires them to get a clear, unequivocal rejection from the platform owner to have unchallengeable standing. A game console maker would have met Epic halfway, but Google and Apple did not.

The timing is probably also critical: Google and Apple just testified to Congress that they're not engaging in monopolist behavior because they treat every applicant equally. To back down from that right now would mean they perjured themselves before Congress. That's something no one in their right mind would want to do.

7. imtringued ◴[] No.24155140[source]
Why is an iPhone an essential part of life? Gaming consoles are cheaper than iPhones and you can often order previous gen Consoles like the 3DS directly from Nintendo's online store for an even lower price.