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mapgrep ◴[] No.24149792[source]
You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate.

But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business to function to some extent?

Personally, I would argue that consumers should have a legal right to install whatever software they wish on a product they have purchased, including onto the bundled operating system. I don't think it should be permissible for a company like Apple (or Microsoft or whoever) to sell me a gadget and then use various sorts of locks to try to keep me from putting whatever apps or app stores or services I like on it.

Does anyone have any argument for why this right would be a bad thing? People would get bad software on their phones, but last I checked, this is happening already, including on iOS. Apple would lose some margin, but last I checked, their investment in creating and maintaining iOS has been handsomely rewarded and would surely continue to be.

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wheelie_boy ◴[] No.24150291[source]
A big part of the value of iPhones and iPads is that you don't have to worry about installing an app that screws up your system and requires a wipe & reinstall. You don't have to worry about viruses. You don't have to worry about spending a lot of time being a system administrator, and just use it. You don't even have to worry about many types of malware, because the system protects you from poorly-behaved applications, through a combination of technical means and human review.

If it was possible to side-load apps, then those advantages go out the window. To see what I'm talking about, look at apps that are skirting the apple app store.

Onavo is a good example. They:

- paid teens

- to install the Facebook Enterprise Certificate

- to side-load the Onavo VPN

- to spy on their internet traffic

- to find out about new apps or websites that might be a threat to facebook (among other things)

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1. KingOfCoders ◴[] No.24152999[source]
I'm using Windows, OS X and Linux for 30+ years, didn't have a virus or a malware or anything else.

The last time I had a virus was on my Amiga which I got at a copy party in the Netherlands.

I think it is perfectly fine that you want the security from the Apple store and pay 30% on top for this, but why should I pay those 30%? It's not some kind of insurance that works better the more people take it.

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2. thirdsun ◴[] No.24155003[source]
> I'm using Windows, OS X and Linux for 30+ years, didn't have a virus or a malware or anything else.

Sure, neither did I, but Apple also has to provide a secure platform to my dad, my grandparents or any other non-tech-savvy person that will wreak havoc on any fresh Windows installation in record time.

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3. KingOfCoders ◴[] No.24155382[source]
Yes, and they can pay 30% for the anti-virus and anti-malware service, if they want too.

But why should I pay for a service that I dont want or need?

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4. fsflover ◴[] No.24155707{3}[source]
Because you have chosen an anti-consumer company?
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5. KingOfCoders ◴[] No.24158644{4}[source]
After 20y of Apple with a Mac Cube, XServes, XSANs, first ipod, first ipad, Webcams, Airports, Mac Minis, first iPhone, first MacBookPro, many MacBookPros after that, iPods, iMacs, iMac Pros, iPhones, filling departments with Apple products as CTO in several companies, I no longer buy Apple because since some years they do not care about developers any more - it's no longer the same company as with Steve.