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dblohm7 ◴[] No.24122017[source]
[I am a Mozilla employee, and yes, I do recognize how my position influences my perspective.]

One thing that always frustrates me a bit whenever Mozilla comes up on HN or elsewhere is that we are always held to impossibly high standards. Yes, as a non-profit, we should be held to higher standards, but not impossible standards.

OTOH, sometimes it just seems unreasonable and absurd. Stuff like, to paraphrase, "Look at the corporate doublespeak in that press release. Fuck Mozilla, I'm switching to Chrome."

Really? That's what's got you bent out of shape?

Sure, Mozilla has made mistakes. Did we apologize? Did we learn anything? Did we work to prevent it happening again?

People want to continue flogging us for these things while giving other companies (who have made their own mistakes, often much more consequential than ours, would never be as open about it, and often learn nothing) a relatively free pass.

I'm certainly not the first person on the planet whose employer has been on the receiving end of vitriol. And if Mozilla doesn't make it through this next phase, I can always find another job. But what concerns me about this is that Mozilla is such an important voice in shaping the future of the internet. To see it wither away because of people angry with what are, in the grand scheme of things, minor mistakes, is a shame.

EDIT: And lest you think I am embellishing about trivial complaints, there was a rant last week on r/Firefox that Mozilla was allegedly conspiring to hide Gecko's source code because we self-host our primary repo and bug tracking instead of using GitHub, despite the fact that the Mozilla project predates GitHub by a decade.

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shock ◴[] No.24122207[source]
> Yes, as a non-profit, we should be held to higher standards, but not impossible standards.

> OTOH, sometimes it just seems unreasonable and absurd. Stuff like, to paraphrase, "Look at the corporate doublespeak in that press release. Fuck Mozilla, I'm switching to Chrome."

If you think that Mozilla not using "corporate doublespeak" is an impossible standard, I am left speechless.

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dblohm7 ◴[] No.24122285[source]
> If you think that Mozilla not using "corporate doublespeak" is an impossible standard, I am left speechless.

If you think that is a reason to abandon Mozilla, you've just proved my point.

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hu3 ◴[] No.24122460[source]
Where did your parent said anything about abandoning?

Are people no longer allowed to criticise?

> If you think that is a reason to abandon Mozilla, you've just proved my point.

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dblohm7[dead post] ◴[] No.24122526[source]
Come on, you're on Hacker News. Surely you understand how an if statement works.
1. hu3 ◴[] No.24123676[source]
This is not a code editor.

You're implying OP intends to abandon Mozilla based on their criticism towards corporate doublespeak.

If not then your comment makes even less sense.

Let me phrase it clearly to anyone reading this: It is perfectly fine to criticize corporate double speak and people should not be confronted for that.

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2. hu3 ◴[] No.24125384[source]
And it makes no sense looking at OP's message which never mentions abandoning Mozilla. This is the entirety of it:

> If you think that Mozilla not using "corporate doublespeak" is an impossible standard, I am left speechless.

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3. nix23 ◴[] No.24125846[source]
I like Mozilla as a product forge, but i really don't see why you should have that massively overpaid Management, Marketing yes, Developers for sure...but management, more and more Mozilla smells like yahoo. But still great Product and the only Browser i use!
4. stale2002 ◴[] No.24127295{3}[source]
Other people in this thread could think it is a reason to "abandon" Mozilla.

Therefore, given that other people may think that, it is reasonable to bring it up.

Not all parts of a comment are directes literally only at the person that one is responding to..