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jeffbee ◴[] No.24110022[source]
Apple exempts all their iOS software from their own privacy scaremongering. iOS never pops up a scary dialog warning you that Camera has accessed your location twice in the last week, even though Camera accesses your location every time you start it. There is a completely separate iOS privacy regime for Apple's own apps.
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xoa ◴[] No.24110240[source]
Duh? What's up with all the recent assertions that there is any sort of trust equivalency for 3rd parties vs Apple within the iOS ecosystem? Apple is part of the core trust foundation for any iOS user. They are present in the entire freaking stack, from the SoC everything runs on up. As a technical matter, they can do absolutely anything they want. By definition if you run iOS you trust Apple's stuff, from the hardware to software. If you don't, you shouldn't be running iOS. There is absolutely a "completely separate privacy regime" for Apple on Apple platforms, and it's not "Apple's own apps" it's "Apple's own processor and microcode and firmware and other chips and cryptographic keys and operating system ...and apps".

For human facing privacy and security information overload is a genuinely huge issue. What value do you assert exists for a "scary dialog" for Camera, software from Apple? After all, for that to even mean anything you must by definition be trusting iOS, software from Apple. On the other hand it's perfectly reasonable to not have the same level of trust in 3rd parties. 3rd parties do not share the same financial relationship or incentives that Apple has with its customers. Nor the same culture, nor necessarily scrutiny or technical acumen or even controlling legal regime.

You certainly do not need to trust Apple at all in general, you can run Linux, the BSDs, Windows, ChromeOS, Android or (happily!) various improving Linux phones that are extremely open. But if you decide to run Apple specifically, then you must indeed trust them.

Edit: Also, "fearmongering" is a ridiculous bit of bait. I mean, 2020 on HN and you're suggesting random 3rd party apps accessing camera/location/whatever is not the slightest issue? Ok.

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sukilot ◴[] No.24110313[source]
Apple could offer a single consent dialog for a bucket of third parties, like they do for all their internal organizations.

To say otherwise is to say that just because Apple has vendor lock-in they deserve trust.

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1. xoa ◴[] No.24110612[source]
>To say otherwise is to say that just because Apple has vendor lock-in they deserve trust.

Incorrect, the whole point is that Apple doesn't have vendor lock-in. As I said there are great non-Apple options for every aspect of our lives (vastly better in many cases). If you choose to buy into Apple's platform however, then it's not a matter of "deserve", you DO trust them by definition. You have made a conscious choice to buy from a massively vertically integrated corporation that exerts significant hardware backed cryptographic control over the software ecosystem. That's not a bug, that's a feature for a lot of people, but it's one that depends entirely on (a specific, limited context sort of) trust in Apple.